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Would you be willing to change your beliefs
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Would you change your beliefs if it meant you could use cannabis without fear of arrest
yes you would
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no you wouldn't
83%
 83%  [ 20 ]
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sara
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vision a flow... vision a flow when there is fear...
fear is the cause to attachments... .
fear is when you have problem to surrender to the flow and trust that
it's all good.
one day I had a harvest and it was stollen from me by my
"friend". who lives in Amestardam.
then I couldn't see... , but it took a harvest to get my enemy a way from me.
it was hard not to be in fear because he is a guy and threatend to hurt my kids, and it was hard not to have own grown smoke, and it is hard to change and forget and not to have fear , but it is the only way for spiriual evolution and growth,now I can see...
to learn how to let go of all we cling to because the mind is so powerful,
the memory of a safe haven with some ideas and beliefs are some attachments.

I like to vision myself free of fear and attachments, on the way to Shambala. Wink

thanks you all. I wish I chould send you some thc right now. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sara wrote:


I like to vision myself free of fear and attachments, on the way to Shambala. Wink


In my vision travels and meditations, I have a safe haven I call The Citadel which is very Shambala-esque. Very Happy

sara wrote:
thanks you all. I wish I chould send you some thc right now. Embarassed


And many thanks to you, Sara. I believe you did send us some THC (Tender Holistic Care)

Bliss on!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awww, Yes she did I feel warm from the inside out.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fyre wrote:
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It's too bad so many see it as a crutch

I don't robot

mystic wrote:
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I look forward to the day when the persecution and legal issues are behind us and we are, simply, spiritual cannabists who've joined together in our respective paths.

^^what he said...

I have found my "home" dwelling w/ the THC ministry spirits light

I believe what I believe and do not expect anyone else to believe as I do aaa Total individual Liberty, not being compelled in any way to accept the practices/standards that the majority says is "the way" hump

Be yourself, have the independence/backbone to not be swept into the "herd" of humans just because everyone else is doing it...be a rebel ccc bongsmilie

Peace,
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thxs Sara for the THC,,, bloem No I would not change my beliefs as frm when I was just around 5 I always new the Great Spirit was here,but being raised a Catholic I still belive there is one true Heavenly Father he just comes to us all in different ways, No longer a Catholic due to my own Native Religion I had inside of me all of my life. I can pray to him anywhere, anytime, anyplace because he is every where & in everything. I pray he forgives those nuns and priests who abused us Natives in the boarding schools. When I was in confession in Catholic boarding school I had no sins to confess. The priest in the booth said "Oh come on now I know you have sinned tell me" and then say so many Hell Marys & such w/ roasary lol (got that spelled wrong). I actually had to lie in their chruch to please that priest..That turned me off to the religion,but out of respect for my grandmother who was a devoted Catholic I still went to chruch w/ her. So much for growing up in forced religions I still am who I am no matter where I am on this earth. We are all related loveweed
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love that philosophy!

Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love changes for more freedom,
God gave us what we think "free will".
it means for me that I can change , I may become a native myself if that
will give me/us more freedom.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I don't even feel I have the time at this point to even think about changing any beliefs I do or do not hold to be true.

I also cannot truly say the legalization of cannabis is one of my main concerns at this time and no I would not change my system of thought for that reason in and of itself.

It would require a whole lot more than cannabis being made legal for me to do such a thing.

Of coarse that's easy for me to say at this point in that I'm not in any trouble with the law right now and haven't been for sometime at least not regarding the sacrament.

Most of my beliefs at this point in are all tied up in the system of earning money and paying taxes and bills. At this point in my life it seems everything else is secondary.

I feel very strongly at this point that financial freedom and the ability for me to earn and handle money and finances and be respectedv by those individuals who are part of this system to be akin to my ability to even have or hold a belief in anything at all be it live, dead or non-existent.

All this aside from I myself ceasing to exist which sounds quite nice to me much of the time these days although I really have no idea how to pull it off given the fact that I still have very powerful attachments to certain living individuals or beings whom I feel obligated to for various reasons but also makes me a prisoner to this life which I increasingly loath and detest on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as hypocrites go I feel like a hypocrite every time i turn on this machine or every time i flick my bic to light a jpint or every time i use anything that was made by the hand of man to do anything.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're having a bad time right now, Romie.

Try to do a mental "pivot" ... think of something...anything that makes you smile. Anything.

Focus on that for a bit, no matter how silly. The sillier, the better!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tennessee Ernie Ford

Sixteen Tons (1955)

Some people say a man is made out-a mud
A poor man's made out-a muscle and blood
Muscle and blood and skin and bones
A mind that's weak and a back that's strong

You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

I was born one morning when the sun didn't shine
I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine
I loaded sixteen tons of number nine coal
And the straw boss said "Well-a, bless my soul"

You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

I was born one morning it was drizzling rain
Fighting and trouble are my middle name
I was raised in the cane raked by an old mama lion
Cain't no high-toned woman make me walk the line

You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

If you see me coming, better step aside
A lotta men didn't, a lotta men died
One fist of iron, the other of steel
If the right one don't a-get you then the left one will

You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romadon wrote:
As far as hypocrites go I feel like a hypocrite every time i turn on this machine or every time i flick my bic to light a jpint or every time i use anything that was made by the hand of man to do anything.


My friend it sounds like you need to find your true will, and for starting on that I reccomend "the Book of the Law" or Liber AL which can be found at www.hermetic.com, it's under received wisdom. This book can show you the keys to Life, Light, Love, and Liberty.

Do What thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Love is the Law, Love under will.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm only going to say this one time. No. I would not change my beliefs to smoke pot legally. So don't try to make me change my beliefs about my beliefs. Cuz, if ya don't believe in your beliefs, then what do you believe in? Do you really believe in God? Do you really believe life is sacred? If even one belief (value) is compromised, all the rest of your beliefs can be compromised. Integrity is a rare trait and one that can only be gained through practice.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So don't try to make me change my beliefs about my beliefs. Cuz, if ya don't believe in your beliefs, then what do you believe in?


rofl I love that. I might never get to use it...but I just love the way it looks on "paper"...

I believe I'll have a cup of coffee, now. Wink

Bliss on
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe in my freedom to be changing all the time.

I will join you Ben for the coffee.
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