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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Whats the ministries view on religious belefe? Reply with quote

OK, what I mean is, does the ministry acept all religious based belief simular to the unitarians, even exception thouse of teh earth based beliefs, like paganisum, goddis whorship, ext... Or is teh ministry more oriented tords Worshipers of teh God of muslims, jews, and christians, Or si it even more speciffic than that, like teh chathlic church?

I ask these questions becouse I considerd my self a pagan, or one that embraces the old ways. I belive that canabis is a sacred hurb, and am inserch of how to honer it, in my practice.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that alot of us are unified in the belief that Cannabis is sacred, and has influenced most of the religions we know of today. Religious beliefs outside of the Cannabis aspect is purely your choice...We do have doctrine, but it is nothing new.
I believe that Jesus or someone like him used Cannabis religiously and medicinally, and that it still holds great value today. I believe it is special, and sacred. If you read these threads, sometimes you cant get two people on here to agree about much, except our belief about the value and sanctity of Cannabis. To put it another way, our dogma ran away from home. Welcome to THC Ministry.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about Satanists or Satanism? Where do they fit in if at all. My understanding from everything I have read about them is they do not worship an actual devil because they don't believe there is a God other than they themselves so therefore it stands to reason no Devil either only they themselves.

What say any of you concerning this? Are true Satanists really just Atheists, Pagans, Humanitarians, Socialists, etc. etc.?

Also, how would any of this fit into the doctrine of the ULC?

I'm not speaking of the idiots who would harm or torture another living thing and call it a sacrifice either. In my estimation this sort of people are only seeking justification to carry out their own sadistic tendencies. To me those things are more or should be more a matter of law than religion, although, people's interpretation of the law seems to vary greatly on most issues also, such as when is killing justified or not justified.

It begins to be a mighty fine line when there are people who believe it is wrong to harm any living being, even when it seems to be a matter of survival for some.

I also have come close to becoming a vegetarian at various times in my life and I truly detest trophy hunters or they who call hunting a sport. If the animals are also armed and shooting back, then it may be defined as a sport according to my interpretation anyway. That is, unless, the animals, (or humans), are being forced to participate in a so-called sport against their will.

So what kind of parameters or boundaries do we actually have assigned to us here at THC Ministries? I realize Roger has stressed the use of Cannabis as being mandatory.

Does this apply to members of a congregation as well as ministers and is it mainly for the protection of the ministry, or it's members, or both, and what if an individual is unable to partake in Holy Communion or Sacrament due to unavailability, other than illegal channels?

Also do you have to be a minister to be called a practitioner? Does the word practitioner apply to anyone who uses the herb or Holy Sacrament or does this term only apply to ministers, and how does the responsibility of a churches members or congregation vary or differ from that of it's ministers?

I am also assuming most THC Ministers to be members of the ULC, or am I wrong on this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the universe is a living being with its own conciousness, i also believe we are tools of the universe so it may learn, but thats my belief i am not a member of ANY organised religion. I find the ministry a good place to be full af differing beliefs but all believe cannabis to be sacramental. Oh and they're all nice people as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romadon,

A practitioner is anyone who uses Cannabis in a sacramental fashion, at least as far as I understand.

As far as Satanism and all that:

If thats what you choose to believe, then theres nothing wrong with that. We cant start drawing lines, or people will get divided.

http://www.thc-ministry.org/wwwboard/messages/53.html try reading this link and see if it helps clear things up......

All my best to you,

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

**Off Topic**

Ferre, any chance you could move Romadon's question into a new thread? I think to discuss it here would be off topic and rude to shaudes but I'd like to answer the questions asked. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if I was off topic or rude........I didnt realize I was jacking someones thread, I just saw the question. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was part of the discussion, so not off topic. If im wrong....oops my bad. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Fundamental Relationships
of Religious Dogma and Cannabis Sacrament

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Roger wrote:
Romadon,

A practitioner is anyone who uses Cannabis in a sacramental fashion, at least as far as I understand.

As far as Satanism and all that:

If thats what you choose to believe, then theres nothing wrong with that. We cant start drawing lines, or people will get divided.

http://www.thc-ministry.org/wwwboard/messages/53.html try reading this link and see if it helps clear things up......

All my best to you,

Rodger

Romadon wrote:
Please don't misunderstand me here, I'm not expressing any personal desire to become a Satanist and not saying Rev Poole is implying such either only maybe making a generalization for the benefit of all.

I was born into a Christian family and started out being raised as a Baptist but I had a few friends whom I believe pretended to be Satanists out of hatred and as a means of fighting Christian hypocrisy. Either I had too many personal convictions or I just didn't feel strong enough to go down that road myself or I may have joined them.

I have always been a big fan of Ozzy and Black Sabbath who have falsely been accused of being Satanists at times but have openly proclaimed their faith in Christ and stated they were only using Satanism as a tool and did not believe in or worship an actual devil, but rather believed the Devil to be a term used to represent negative energies, or the flip side of God.


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1: Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2: I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3: And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4: For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5: I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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HvyFuel wrote:
**Off Topic**

Ferre, any chance you could move Romadon's question into a new thread? I think to discuss it here would be off topic and rude to shaudes but I'd like to answer the questions asked. Thank you.

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Romadon wrote:
I would have to disagree with you here Reverend Hvy, I think it is quite in keeping with the topic which our dear Shaudes brought up. And my question is not one but many of which I have only stated a few so far.






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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think it was off topic. From what i can tell thou, the bassis of the ministry is the recoginzation of canibus as a sacriment. And that thear is no other requierments by the ministry. So it may be safe to say that the ministrys view is simular to the unitarians in the eceptents of the difrent faces of god. and as for satanisum, the real once are more like humanitarians and sensualist, and also trying to piss of the christians .

The reson i asked this question to begin with is becouse if the ministry is to be recognized as a legitamet religion it would help if we have a good understanding of what the ministry represents, and that the uniterian church or a simular riligious organization may show use some things we can do to make it easier in the legal end. Especialy if it is recognived as a real church and not just a non-profit organization
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rev. Rodger L. Poole wrote:
Sorry if I was off topic or rude........I didnt realize I was jacking someones thread, I just saw the question. Thanks.

Rodger


I didn't mean you brother, I meant me. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need for apology, Rev. Paul...I wasnt offended. just a misunderstanding. I just felt it was in context, so there would be no harm in answering. Dont you think so?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the original question concerned the Ministry's acceptance of all beliefs and Romadon's question was a factual one concerning Satanism I merely wished to answer the separate question in a separate thread. As shaudes does not mind it becomes a moot point.

There are no deities involved in Satanism at all. Dennis Wheatley and the Hammer film studios created the current popular perception of devil worshippers. You may find groups of people who wish to get drunk, say prayers backwards, then have lots of sex. This is not a coven, this is an orgy.

Satanists celebrate the primal nature of mankind, accepting that we all have good and evil inside ourselves and that it is perfectly natural. "If thy will harms none, Do What Thy Will Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" was coined by 'The Great Beast' Aleister Crowley and adopted by the Satanist movement in the early 1900's and pretty much sums up the philosophy. They believe that although crimes against another are wrong acting out your worst thoughts in a safe environment is very good for you. Anton Le Vey's Church of Satan and Book of Satanic Rituals were mainly based around Crowley's work while stealing a little from Levi and Gardener, as most modern day occultists do.

And to the best of my knowledge shaudes, yes, in the most part, they love to piss off christians.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for the kind and thoughtful words Brother Paul, (no pun intended). Very refreshing, quite informative and enlightening. I suppose I should have posed this question at the end of my post rather than the beginning. I was actually attempting to amass and engage quite a number of questions in a limited time span, hence the helter skelter or scattered patterns of thought.

If I can ever get our finances in order which I need to do quickly being already quite late on some bills, and also failing to turn in this years tax return or make estimated payments to the state, then hopefully I can get back on a more even keel and make some more worthwhile contributions.


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