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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: The 'hell' concept, is terrorism? Reply with quote

Definition of "terrorism" from Princeton;

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorism
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Noun
S: (n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear)


For centuries we humans have been told that we will burn in hell for ever and ever when we don't join certain religions and submit to certain doctrines, isn't it about time to name the people and organisations that do this for what they are; terrorists?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like terrorism to me, but I'm an american and apparently we can label anything or anyone as a terrorist on a whim! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: the Hell concept is terrorism? Reply with quote

Hello there,I have just joined up and have been looking around to see what you are all passionate about. I do not like to be a lurker, so thought I would pass an opinion.

Isn't it part of the human condition to have to choose again and again between Love and Fear? it seems obvious that where ever and whenever people organise, that organisation will be full of people drawn one way or the other.The organisation, religious or secular, can include those who are motivated by Love, those who both use fear and feel fearful, and those (who are most of us,) having the intention to be motivated by Love alone, but actually having to struggle every day not to feed the fear in us and in others.

Identifying the fear mongers and being part of a global discussion about their methods and madness is a good thing, a political thing.Being willing to return love for fear, just sometimes,in prayer, meditation , sacrament, conversation,is vibrationally transformative, another good thing, a spiritual thing. I have encountered folk from all major and many fringe religions who have critiqued the fundamentalist right in their own organisation/history..........often in their own families, which is tough.
and people often leave their birth religion because of the terrorism they experience, and find love in another religion that others have left for the same reason.

so I can see that some people use the fundamentalist fear..you'll burn baby burn..as a terrorist tactic,and the war on terror has been used by our govts as a terrorising tactic...and the folk who feel the power of fear sometimes seem to get more of what they want than us love and peaceniks..but hey Love is always greater than fear..that's a great cosmic law..so keep stokin up that love guys.. this aint the time to stop!For me,life on earth is both heaven and hell..which is why using our sacrament is so important, abit more heaven to help us keep lookin at what needs raising up from those firey pits to see the light .
blessings from my bit of heaven and hell to yours
Laine

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice Laine,and welcome to the forums.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he he Laughing You wrote that after some sacrament huh? Seriously it all makes sense to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can agree with that. Heaven and hell are only a state of mind, not a real place.

Welcome to our forums! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen! Welcome!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: The Hell concept is terrorism? Reply with quote

Thanks all of you for warm welcome..what a relief!
Ive spent a lot of years working on Middle-East peace lists, where its often hard to say hello without incurring outrage..bless.

Mallory Jade.. obviously no good making out that as a well adapted professional type,I am at peace on an entirely natural high then?

Of course in the UK like the States we are subjected to collective punishment via the war on drugs for daring to keep jumpin out of that box.
That kind of makes Amsterdam a lifelong promised land that doesn't terrorise me for my preferences.


I think we understand each other Brother Adam,I used to be very uncomfortable with the idea that anyone should be at peace with so much suffering in the world. I started life in a socialist and atheist family who worked hard on social justice issues..religion was the opiate of the masses.. bliss ninying for selfish reasons.It was all very negative in a martyred kind of way, being happy was a secular sin.Solidarity with the suffering poor, sharing the hell, as if we could..was the right thing to do.

Even when I went thru my own spiritual breakdown/breakthru it took me years to get my head straight with my heart. It was studying Buddhism
and especially using some meditations from Tibet, in which I had to reach out to every person in every situation of suffering my feverish brain could imagine, and attempt to empathise, experience and let go. It used to take me about an hour each time and I kept it up for about six months, by which time it had become a bit second nature. It helped me to move past some of my guilt at my own good fortune and got me into the habit of offering Hell up to the light when I realise I am clinging on and terrorising myself with the bad.When I get weary of watching the news and keeping up with the bad in the world I use the meditation to strengthen my resolve.. and the sacrament helps too.

yes I AM WORDY, a few years will chill me to one liners I am sure.



So.. this thread was obviously started to get at something more?

since I dont know where you have all already been with each other I am not sure which way to go? Over to you Ferre
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy by the way welcome. you know you can go back and read all the threads to get an idea of who we are as well as look at our profiles.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: beyond terrorism Reply with quote

thank you Mallory Jade,
I am looking forward to taking some personal space working thru the site content and learning your voices...,bless. Today is my husbands birthday so we are mixing some pleasure into our day,its also twenty five years since he
moved in to my life(on his twenty first birthday)so we have a lot of experiences to ponder on.......and our five kids and their partners coming for tea.

I wish you and all here a cosmic weekend
hugs and love
Lorraine Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow big day!!! Congratulations!! Five kids? wow again. My youngest son's birthday is today as well. He'll be 8. Have a great day. Peace and love Mallory Jade
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Five kids? Who in their right mind would have five kids? If I could take it back, I wouldn't have five kids either, lol! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not shocked. your such a dirty minded man!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who me? Embarassed

Hehe! Laughing
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