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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802 ~


Some may not like it, but THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814


Some may not like it, but...well, you know the rest. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Power wrote:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802 ~


Some may not like it, but THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS...


Yes, but you conveniently forgot to say that Jefferson was taking off on a
statement by one of the Baptist's own preachers -Roger Williams -who preached a sermon
in which the wall of separation was to protect the "garden of the church"
from the "wilderness of the world." In other words to protect the
church from the government.


In 1878 the Supreme Court used Jefferson's speech in its entirety to
protect the religious liberties of the Mormons.

In 1947 -70 years later- another Supreme Court took just 8 words of
his speech out of context to this time give it a new meaning.

He made that statment 13 years after the Congress passed the First Amendment.

It is Jefferson that is often quoted in these matters even though he
was not a delegate to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, nor was
he a member of Congress in 1789 (which framed the First Amendment)
nor was he a member of any state legislature or ratifying convention at any time relevant to the passage fo the First Amendment; he was serving
as U.S. Minister to France throughout this time.

Patrick Henry said,
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or to often that this great nation
was founded , not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions,
but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ"

James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:

"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

Did you know:

Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777?

Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies?

The English (our enemies) called the rebellion the Presbyterian Parsons
(pastor) rebellion because so many of the leaders were ministers?

The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:
"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."

Some may not like it, but...well, you know the rest.

Shamash
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Thank God, now we have a Christian Government!"
~ Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, currently under indictment ~


Just knew you'd like that one...

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