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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 9:01 am    Post subject: methanol bio-fuel from hemp--please help Reply with quote

hello to ya all
i am trying to put together some sientific data on the production and usability of methanol bio-fuel made from hemp.
i am only interested in facts and figures on this specific subject.
the following is a list of questions i am trying to answer :-

(i am looking for averages or maxima and minima here)

1)on average how much (total bio-mass) hemp can you grow on an acre/hectare of land.?

2)how much methane can you produce from a ton of hemp.?(either alone or mixed with animal slurry and other biological material)

3)what sort of milage and consumption rate could one hope to achieve using methanol?

4)how does methanol compare with other fuels of all types in terms of
A) production costs
B)milage per gallon/litre
C)pollution produced

5)what other types of engine can use methanol? (jets , marine , generators , cars , trucks etc etc etc.)

6)is there a perpose built engine designed purely for methanol/methane?

i am trying to compile data on this subject and there are other questions i need answeres to as well.
so any info on this subject would really be appreciated if it is in any way connected with the above , but it is mainly those questions i am trying to answere.
this info should be in the public domain so i will publish my conclusions here (with ferre's permission of course)

i would like to present these findings to Mary Otto-Chang from the U.N. and the E.E.C. as well as any other national or international organisation i can think you will appreciate it needs to be backed by facts and figures.
to give you an idea of the sort of thing possible please have o look at this site and bear in mind that bates's system could use hemp instead of just chicken shi...manure. :-

many thanks to you all.


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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And remember, hemp-seed oil (in it's natural condition) will run a diesel engine. Hemp-seed oil, processed one step further becomes bio-diesel fuel.

The following will help you get started:

Edited Afterthought: Can't forget the grand-daddy of 'em all, Jack Herer's THE EMPEROR WEARS NO CLOTHES,

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And check out too. Very Happy

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Cool! Laughing
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quietly, “he does not fall below.”
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi all
sorry for the late response folks.
been a bit busy lately organising a suitable welcome for the gang of mass murderers and corporate stooges arriving for the G8 summit over here Wink('Twisted Evil')
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anyway those links from bothers ferre and mystic are awesome.i am very grateful to you both.i am absolutely stunned by the amount and quality of information that those links have opened up.

for some reason i thought there would be hardly anything on this subject,well i was very,very is going to take me some time and a steep learning curve to assimilate all this info.think i may have to expand the original brief as well.

anyway,i have to appologise to you all for taking so long about it but i am on the case.once again my sincere thanks to you both for those quality links.they are a vast wealth of scientific data and will act as the main reference point of the treatise i am writing.(eventualy!)

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2 thirds of the world will go to bed hungry tonight.
1 third of the worlld is slowly starving to death.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah great

my initial enthusiasm is waning now that i have found out that half the info. out there is badly researched , ill-informed , badly written , irrelavant or just plain dis-information.

feel like i am beating my head against a brick wall smash

a lot of the best info comes from your links and 'the emperor wears no clothes so once again , many thanks to you all. yourock

i'll get there


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here are some of the verifiable facts i am beggining to uncover . i think you will agree , there are some signs of hope here :-

Sustainable Yield - Methanol Hemp Fuel. Methyl Alcohol - CH3OH

# Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America's energy needs. 1
# Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months. 1
# Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum, and hemp is much better for the environment. Pyrolysis (charcoalizing), or biochemical composting are two methods of turning hemp into fuel.2
# Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.
# Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution.
# The use of hemp fuel does not contribute to global warming.

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Energy Farming In America

Lynn Osburn

A practical answer to America’s farming, energy and environmental crises.

On June 12,1989, President Bush addressed his campaign promises to deal with the pollution problems long facing the United States.

He unveiled an ambitious plan to remove smog from California and the nation’s most populous cities, as well as efforts to reduce acid rain pollution. Bush recommended auto makers be required to make methanol-powered cars for use in nine urban areas plagued by air pollution. Methanol is the simplest form of primary alcohol and is commonly called wood alcohol.

About 6% of contiguous United States land area put into cultivation for biomass could supply all current demands for oil and gas without adding any net carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

Bush called methanol “home-grown energy for America.” He further proposed a 10 million ton reduction in sulfur dioxide emissions from coal-burning power plants; that’s a 50% reduction over present standards. Sulfur dioxide is a major cause of acid rain, which kills 50,000 Americans and 5,000-10,000 Canadians yearly. (Brookhaven National Laboratory 1986)

William Reilly, chief of the Environmental Protection Agency, at a briefing before Bush’s speech, estimated the cost of the plan would be between S14 billion and $19 billion a year after its full implementation at the turn of the century. Bush said, “Too many Americans continue to breathe dirty air, and political paralysis has plagued further progress against air pollution. We’ve seen enough of this stalemate. It’s time to clear the air.” Political paralysis seems to be a dominant trait in Washington in any given decade, but what did he mean by “stalemate?”

The root of this “stalemate” can be found in the concept of world energy resources. The industrial world currently runs on fossil fuel: natural gas, oil, and coal. Fossil fuel resources are non-renewable, being the end product of eons of natural decomposition of Earth’s ancient biomass. Fossil fuels contain sulfur, which is the source of many of the aggravating environmental pollution problems threatening America.

Removing sulfur compounds from fossil fuels is a major expense to the energy producers. Also, burning fossil fuels releases “ancient” carbon dioxide, produced by primeval plant life eons ago, into the atmosphere causing the air we breathe to be over-burdened with CO2 increasing the danger of global warming and the greenhouse effect.

In the late 1800s, the fledgling petroleum industry aggressively competed with the established biomass-based energy industry in a effort to gain control of world energy production and distribution. Fossil fuel producers succeeded in their campaign to dominate energy production by making fuels and chemical feedstocks at lower prices than could be produced from biomass conversion. Now the pendulum is swinging against them.

It is likely that peak oil and gas production in the coterminous United States has been reached. The bulk total production of roughly 80% will be reached by the year 2000. Peak world production will occur about the same year.

The situation for recoverable coal, world wide, is more favorable. Peak production is estimated to happen shortly after the 2100. However, increasing numbers of Americans are unwilling to accept the escalating costs of environmental pollution and destruction associated with coal-fired power plant smokestack emissions and the land destruction resulting from coal mining.

As the energy crop grows it takes in CO2 from the air; when it is burned the CO2 is returned to the air, creating a balanced system.

If the pollution problems inherent with fossil fuel use are solved, the dollars and cents cost of this form of energy will continue to rise due to the dwindling availability of this non-renewable world resource. On the other hand, the dollar cost of energy production from biomass conversion will remain relatively constant because the world biomass resource is renewable on a yearly basis.

The point where the cost of producing energy from fossil fuels exceeds the cost of biomass fuels has been reached. With a few exceptions, energy from fossil fuels will cost the American taxpayer more money than the same amount of energy supplied through biomass conversion.

Biomass as the term used to describe all biologically produced matter. World production of biomass is estimated at 146 billion metric tons a year, mostly wild plant growth. Some farm crops and trees can produce up to 20 metric tons per acre of biomass a year. Types of algae and grasses may produce 50 metric tons per year.

Dried biomass has a heating value of 5000-8000 Btu/lb, with virtually no ash or sulfur produced during combustion. About 6% of contiguous United States land area put into cultivation for biomass could supply all current demands for oil and gas. And this production would not add any net carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. (Environmental Chemistry, Stanley E. Manahan, Willard Grant Press, 1984)

For its Mission Analysis study conducted for the U.S. Department of Energy in 1979, Stanford Research Institute (SRI) chose five types of biomass materials to investigate for energy conversion: woody plants, herbaceous plants (those that do not produce persistent woody material), aquatic plants, and manure. Herbaceous plants were divided into two categories: those with low moisture content and those with high moisture content.

Biomass conversion may be conducted on two broad pathways: chemical decomposition and biological digestion.

Thermochemical decomposition can be utilized for energy conversion of all five categories of biomass materials, but low moisture herbaceous (small grain field residues) and woody (wood industry wastes, and standing vegetation not suitable for lumber) are the most suitable.

Biological processes are essentially microbic digestion and fermentation. High moisture herbaceous plants (vegetables, sugar cane, sugar beet, corn, sorghum, cotton), marine crops and manure are most suitable for biological digestion.

Anaerobic digestion produces high and intermediate Btu gasses. High Btu gas is methane. Intermediate-Btu is methane mixed with carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. Methane can be efficiently converted into methanol.

Fermentation produces ethyl and other alcohols, but this process is too costly in terms of cultivated land use and too inefficient in terms of alcohol production to feasibly supply enough fuel alcohol to power industrial society.

Pyrolysis is the thermochemical process that converts organic materials into usable fuels with high fuel-to-feed ratios, making it the most efficient process for biomass conversion, and the method most capable of competing and eventually replacing non-renewable fossil fuel resources.

The foundation on which this will be achieved is the emerging concept of “energy farming,” wherein farmers grow and harvest crops that are converted into fuels.

Pyrolysis is the technique of applying high heat to organic matter (lignocellulosic materials) in theabsence of air or in reduced air. The process can produce charcoal, condensable organic liquids (pyrolytic fuel oil), non-condensable gasses, acetic acid, acetone, and methanol. The process can be adjusted to favor charcoal, pyrolytic oil, gas, or methanol production with a 95.556 fuel-to-feed efficiency.

Chemical decomposition through pyrolysis is the same technology used to refine crude fossil fuel oil and coal. Biomass conversion by pyrolysis has many environmental and economic advantages over fossil fuels, but coal and oil production dominates because costs are kept lower by various means including government protection.

Pyrolysis has been used since the dawn of civilization. If some means is applied to collect the off-gasses (smoke), the process is called wood distillation. The ancient Egyptians practiced wood distillation by collecting tars and pyroligneous acid for use in their embalming industry.

Pyrolysis of wood to produce charcoal was a major industry in the 1800s, supplying the fuel for the industrial revolution, until it was replaced by coal.

In the late 19th Century and early 20th Century wood distillation was still profitable for producing soluble tar, pitch, creosote oil, chemicals, and non-condensable gasses often used to heat boilers at the facility.

The wood distillation industry declined in the 1930s due to the advent of the petrochemical industry and its lower priced products. However, pyrolysis of wood to produce charcoal for the charcoal briquette market and activated carbon for purification systems is still practiced in the U.S.

The wood distillation industry used pyrolytic reactors in a process called destructive distillation. The operation was carried out in a fractionating column (a tall still) under high heat (from 1000-1700°F). Charcoal was the main fuel product and methanol production was about 1% to 2% of volume or 6 gallons per ton. This traditional method was replaced by the synthetic process developed in 1927.

The synthetic process utilizes a pyrolytic reactor operating as a gasifier by injecting air or pure oxygen into the reactor core to completely burn the biomass to ash. The energy contained in the biomass is released in the gasses formed. After purification the syngas, hydrogen and carbon monoxide in a 2 to 1 ratio, is altered by catalysts under high pressure and heat, to form methanol. This method will produce 100 gallons of methanol per ton of feed material.

Methanol-powered automobiles and reduced emissions from coal-fired power plants can become a reality by using biomass derived fuels. The foundation upon which this will be achieved is the emerging concept of energy farming, wherein farmers grow and harvest crops that are converted into fuels. Energy farming can save American family farms and turn the American heartland into a prosperous source of clean renewable energy production.

Pyrolysis is the most efficient processfor biomass conversion into fuels that can replace all fossil fuel products... When farmers can grow hemp for biomass they will make a profit energy farming.

Universities, government agencies, and private firms have conducted studies looking into the feasibility of growing biomass at low cost to make fuels at affordable prices, but the most promising plant species was never considered because it is prohibited. Instead emphasis has centered around utilizing waste products: agricultural residues after harvest, forestry wastes from the timber and pulp wood industry, and municipal wastes. All of these combined cannot produce enough fuel to satisfy the needs of industry or the American consumer’s automobile. Yet biomass conversion to fuel has been proven economically feasible in laboratory tests and by continuous operation of pilot plants in field tests since 1973.

Farmers should be encouraged to grow energy crops capable of producing 10 tons per acre in 90-120 days. The crop has to be naturally high in cellulose. It must grow in all climactic zones in America. And it should not compete with food production for the most fertile land. It could be grown in rotation with food crops or on marginal land where other crop production isn’t profitable.

At congressional hearings on alternative fuels held in 1978, Dr. George T. Tsao, professor of chemical engineering and food and agricultural engineering, director of laboratory of renewable resources, Purdue University, said $30 per ton for biomass delivered to the fuel conversion plant is an adequate base price for the energy farmer. The price of $30/ton has also been suggested by other researchers.

Both Dr. Serge Gratch, director chemical sciences laboratory, Ford Motor Co. and Dr. Joseph M. Colucci, director fuels and lubricants General Motors Research Laboratories testified their companies were willing, especially Ford, to make cars that would run on methanol fuel. The scientists said it would take several years to tool up factories to make methanol powered autos. They said industry could solve the problems associated with methanol as fuel. And it would take about the same amount of time for the energy industry to build methanol production facilities.

So why don’t we have methanol at the filling station? The scientists said the problem was government certification under the Clean Air Act required automobile manufacturers meet standards set by the EPA based on fuels available on a national level. Since methanol fuel standards had not been set, the car makers couldn’t make the new fleet until the methanol fuel was available at the pump. This catch-22 situation continues today. Government is unwilling to subsidize pilot energy farms and biomass refinery construction because fossil fuel producers control the energy industry.

Hemp is the only biomass resource capable of making America energy independent. The government suspended marijuana prohibition during WWII. It’s time to do it again.

The way to end this political stalemate is to start literally from the ground up. When farmers can grow hemp for biomass they will make a profit energy farming. Then it will not take long to get 6% of continental American land mass into cultivation for biomass fuels -- enough to replace our economy’s dependence on fossil fuels. And as the energy crop grows it takes in CO2 from the air; when it is burned the CO2 is returned to the air, creating a balanced system. We will no longer be increasing the CO2 content in the atmosphere. The threat of global greenhouse warming and adverse climatic change will diminish.

This energy crop can be harvested with equipment readily available. It can be “cubed” by modifying hay cubing equipment. This method condenses the bulk, reducing trucking costs from the field to the pyrolysis facility.

Sixty-eight percent of the energy in the raw biomass is contained in the charcoal and fuel oils made at the facility. The charcoal has the same heating value in Btu as coal, with virtually no sulfur to pollute the atmosphere. The pyrolytic fuel oil has similar properties to no. 2 and no. 6 fuel oil. The remaining energy is in noncondensible gases that are used to co-generate steam and electricity.

To keep costs down pyrolysis reactors need to be located within a 50 mile radius from the energy farms. This necessity will bring life back to our small towns by providing jobs locally. The pyrolysis facilities will run three shifts a day.

Charcoal and fuel oil can be “exported” from the rural small town in the agricultural community to the large metropolitan areas to fuel the giant power plants generating electricity. When these utility companies use charcoal instead of coal, the problems of acid rain will begin to disappear.

The charcoal can be transported economically by rail to all urban area power plants. The fuel oil can be transported economically by truck creating more jobs for Americans.

When this energy system is on line producing a steady supply of fuel for utility companies, it will have established itself in commerce. Then it will be more feasible to build the complex syngas systems to produce methanol from biomass, or make synthetic gasoline from methanol by adding the Mobil Co. process equipment to the gasifier.

To accomplish this goal of clean energy independence in America we must demand an end to hemp prohibition, so American farmers can grow this energy crop. Our government foolishly outlawed it in 1938.

Hemp is the world’s most versatile plant. It can yield 10 tons per acre in four months. Hemp contains 80% cellulose; wood produces 60% cellulose. Hemp is drought resistant making it an ideal crop in the dry western regions of the country.

Hemp is the only biomass resource capable of making America energy independent. Remember that in 10 years, by the year 2000, America will have exhausted 80% of her petroleum reserves. Will we then go to war with the Arabs for the privilege of driving our cars; will we stripmine our land for coal and poison the air we breathe to drive our autos an additional 100 years; will we raze our forests for our energy needs?

During the Second World War, the federal government faced a real economic emergency when our supply of hemp was cut off by the Japanese. The federal government responded to the emergency by suspending marijuana prohibition. Patriotic American farmers were encouraged to apply for a license to grow hemp. They responded enthusiastically and grew 375,000 acres of hemp in 1943.

The argument against undertaking this massive hemp production effort today does not hold up to scrutiny.

Hemp grown for biomass makes very poor grade marijuana. The 20 to 40 million Americans who smoke marijuana would loath to smoke hemp grown for biomass, so no one could make a dime selling a farmers hemp biomass crop as marijuana.

It is time for the federal government to once again respond to our current economic emergency by utilizing the same procedure used in WWII to permit our farmers to grow American hemp so this mighty nation can once again become energy independent and smog free.


1. U.S. Energy Atlas, David J. Cuff & William J. Young, Free Press/McMillan Publishing Co., NY, 1980
2. Progress in Biomass Conversion Vol. 1, Kyosti V. Sartanen & David Tillmall editors, Academic Press, NY, 1979
3. Brown’s Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook, Michael H. Brown (Senate hearing transcripts)
4. Environmental Chemistry, (4th edition), Stanley E. Manahan, P.W.S. Publishers, Boston, MA, 1979
5. Hemp for Victory, U.S. government documentary film, USDA 1942-43

Produced as a Public Service for the Business Alliance her Commerce In Hemp (BACH), Help Eliminate Marijuana Prohibition (HEMP) and the American Hemp Council.

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Methanol Basics

What is Methanol?
Methanol is the simplest alcohol, containing one carbon atom. It is a colorless, tasteless liquid with a very faint odor and is commonly known as "wood alcohol."

Methanol is one of a number of fuels that could substitute for gasoline or diesel fuel in passenger cars, light trucks, and heavy-duty trucks and buses.
Why Consider Methanol?
Methanol's physical and chemical characteristics result in several inherent advantages as an automotive fuel:

Emissions from methanol cars are low in reactive hydrocarbons (which form smog) and in toxic compounds. Methanol-fueled trucks and buses emit almost no particulate matter (which cause smoke and odor, and can also be carcinogenic), and much less nitrogen oxides than their diesel-fueled counterparts.

Methanol can be manufactured from a variety of carbon-based feedstocks such as natural gas, coal, and biomass (e.g., Hemp). Use of methanol would diversify the country's fuel supply and reduce its dependence on imported petroleum.

Methanol is much less flammable than gasoline and results in less severe fires when it does ignite.

Methanol is a high-octane fuel that offers excellent acceleration and vehicle power.

With economies of scale, methanol could be produced, distributed, and sold to consumers at prices competitive with gasoline.

Current Methanol Uses
Because of its outstanding performance and fire safety characteristics, methanol is the only fuel used in Indianapolis-type race cars. Following a series of methanol vehicle development and demonstration programs throughout the 1980's, a limited number of methanol passenger cars and buses are now commercially available. There are approximately 14,000 methanol passenger cars in use, mostly in Federal and private fleets, and about 400 methanol buses in daily operation, mostly in California.

Methanol is used in a number of consumer products, including paint strippers, duplicator fluid, model airplane fuel, and dry gas. Most windshield washer fluids are 50 percent methanol.
Is Methanol Poisonous?
Yes. As with many other fuels, methanol can be highly toxic and should never be taken orally. A few teaspoons of methanol can cause blindness and a few tablespoons can be fatal, if the exposure is not treated.

It should be noted that the human body can metabolize and eliminate low concentrations of methanol with no ill effects. (Methanol is present in many cooked vegetables, and the artificial sweetener in diet soft drinks breaks down into methanol during digestion.) Methanol becomes poisonous only when it overwhelms the body's capacity to remove it. Toxic effects do not occur until several hours after exposure. Effective antidotes to methanol poisoning are readily available and can be administered during this interim period.
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The Office of Mobile Sources is the national center for research and policy on air pollution from highway and off-highway motor vehicles and equipment. You can write to them at the EPA National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory, 2565 Plymouth Road, Ann Arbor, MI 48105. The phone number is (734) 214-4333.

The Report of the FCDA, Europe.

Cannabis: The Facts, Human Rights And The Law;
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TEXTBOOK EXPOSITION on Cannabis in context of:
e.g. see below:-

For example, see in The Report: * Economics:

The Cannabis Biomass Energy Equation (CBEE), given practical application in the Cannabis Biomass Resource and Pyrolysis Functions (CBRPF), explains and establishes, for the first time on record, how Cannabis, uniquely among plant species, produces fuel-energy cheaper per BTU than fossil fuels and uranium, and is capable of their economic replacement. Profound amelioration is made available to the world and its peoples from these facts, which are expounded in-depth. Chemistry: shows Cannabis-Methanol fuel-energy pollution-free, which will have stabilising result on Global Warming.

On Health / Medicine:The state-funded Empirical Studies completely vindicate cannabis. Official Findings of Fact: 1.) exonerate cannabis from all allegations of 'harm'; 2.) conclude from replicable, mental/physical co-ordination, memory and ability skill-tests that use of cannabis herb produces categorically no 'impairments', and 3.) confirm cannabis is profoundly benign to human Health. The Exonerative Studies are not promulgated by DEA, Home Office, CPS and others: perjury is thereby committed.

On Law: The Report exposes the fraudulent basis to the legislation; Lawyer's Guide: The Evidence which shows specific infractions of Common, Substantive and International Laws by this Prohibition, demonstrating the 'Act' as abrogate and its enforcement as constituting Crime per se. Evinces current ex parte tampering of the Trial by Jury (system) by State/judges producing foregone guilty 'verdicts'. Gives cogent references. On Criminology: 1.) The Report reveals the utmost corrupt financial motivation from which spurious 'legislation' is contrived. The Report shows how mass false indoctrination of 'harm' is fabricated and Cannabis Prohibition comprises the greatest fraud of all time. 2.) Evidence presented shows that Prohibition per se engenders most of all peacetime Crime, both small-scale and Organised. Examines the complex of relationships between Prohibition, its enforcement and the Economics of the Black Market. Much more information. Helpful Bibliography.

Presents case histories of patients' supervised uses: Statistics: superior efficacy in numerous treatments and conditions: Recommendations of US Judicial Review of modern medical applications. "......a splendid job of producing a comprehensive summary of the evidence documenting that the current prohibition of the production, sale and use of cannabis is utterly unjustified and produces many harmful effects." Excerpt from Foreword by: Economics' Nobel Laureate Prof. Milton Friedman, Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Inst. on War, Revolution and Peace; Professor Emeritus, University of Chicago.

"a fine document", U.S. Judge's letter to Authors.

"The Report's thesis is sound." U.K. Judge's letter to Authors.

"Eloquent, I welcome the addition of this Report to the world's store of important writings", Don Doig, BS, US National Coordinator, Fully Informed Jury Association.

"I did enjoy reading it. The Report should contribute much", Ecologist and t.v.. broadcaster, the Hon. Jonathon Porritt, Bt.

"I am totally amazed at The Report's quality and overall goodness." Dr. Anne Biezanek, ChB, BSc, MB, MFHom.

The Report is being ordered by academics and public libraries worldwide and has recently been purchased by the House of Lords and the Library of Congress.

STOCKHOLM (AFP) - The world's first train to run on biogas, a renewable energy source made up of organic waste, made its maiden voyage in Sweden, a country that has high hopes for biofuels.

"The train left on time, at 2:32 pm (1242 GMT) and everything is going well," said Peter Unden, head of marketing at Svensk Biogas, the company that owns the train.

The train which links the city of Linkoeping, just south of Stockholm, to the east coast town of Vaestervik some 80 kilometers (50 miles) away, is scheduled to make one trip a day to begin with, "but our ambition is that it will eventually make two or more," Unden told AFP by telephone from the moving train.

Consisting of a single carriage that seats about 60 passengers, the vehicle consists of a converted old Fiat train whose diesel engines have been replaced by two Volvo gas engines.

Replacing the engine has made the train more environmentally friendly, since the combustion of biogas, like other biofuels, helps reduce greenhouse gas emissions, Svensk Biogas chief Carl Lilliehoeoek told AFP last June when the train was inaugurated.

The engine "does not run on regular fuel, but on renewable energy ... This is a very good way of providing a sustainable transport system," Unden said on Monday.

Another advantage is that biogas, unlike oil, does not create a dependence on imports from other countries.

"Communities can build their own production and this helps create jobs," he said.

Biogas is made up of shredded plant materials and animal waste, which are then mixed with water in a tank. Once the waste has decomposed, a gas is formed that can be stored and used as fuel.

Another plus with running on biogas is that the engines make less noise than most other trains, Unden insisted.

The train is equipped with 11 canisters containing enough gas to run for 600 kilometers (375 miles) before needing a refill, and can reach a maximum speed of 130 kilometers (80 miles) per hour.

As the train chugged out of the Linkoeping station on Monday, Unden said he was thrilled at the "opportunity to show that this is something that works", adding that several other countries have voiced interest in the project, including India.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hay don i am subscribed to a email lis call bioenergy. were the perticapents including many profetionals in the field discus the issue of sourses of bioenergy. try sending an email to with subscribe in teh titel and subject. That may get you on.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi bro Shaudes

that is excellent ! that is exactly the kind of thing i need
it is so hard to pick thru all the rubish and find what you are looking for these days.

i am very grateful to you for taking the time to share this info with me and for posting the link. i just sent an e-mail to them and i can not wait to see there first post .

many many thanks brother.



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