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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:33 am    Post subject: Is Religion of God? Reply with quote

I found this facinating artical and it soooo reminds me of what I have been saying about God pulling his flock out of these organised religions that do not follow his true words. (iecannabis andmany others)

"In order for Satan to deceive those that would follow Christ into worshipping him, he had to create a church that would have the name Christian, but with many false gods and false doctrines that came from old Satan worship. It may be hard for you to believe but Satan also is the one that created what we know of as religion so we would focus on the ceremonies and not God.Satan also must have in these last days, a government with economic and military power to give the great false church and beast power control over the earth. We read of this great system in the book of Revelation chapter 17 vs. 3.



Is Religion of God?

The very word religion implies adherence to observance of rituals and ceremonies and denotes what type of rituals or ceremonies any particular church or group must practice. If one is of the Jewish religion, they must learn and practice all the rituals and ceremonies of the Jewish religion. The same holds true for the professing Christian religion of which can get into many different types of religions such as the Catholic religion, the Baptist religion, and the Mormon religion etc. All the churches of this world have a religion...The question is should we have religion in the church that Jesus is the Lord over? This question may shock many people because we have been taught from childhood that to believe in God, is religion. The truth is that Jesus did not come to establish a religion, and to follow Jesus the Christ is to be a Christian, but to belong to the Christian religion is not to follow Christ!



What is the truth about religion, and what does God want from us? In order to answer this question we must first understand the biblical definition of religion. so let's start with what Paul stated concerning religion and ask what he meant by the word “religion” when he stated...“They knew me from the first, if they were willing to testify, that according to the strictest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee." Acts 26:5. Paul's point here was that he was a very good Pharisee and he kept to the Pharisaic religion with all its many ceremonies and rituals, with all his heart. The Greek word for religion here is "threskeia" which literally means ceremonial observance, or an outward show of ones beliefs and worship of their god. All Christians who study the bible will agree that the Pharisaic religion was a false religion, according to Jesus. We find one example of this in Matt 15:1-3. "Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, "Why do Your disciples transgress the “tradition” of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread. "He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?" The term tradition here is the same as customs that were of the Jewish religion, and they had many such ceremonies.



We also read in Col. 2:6-8 that we need to beware of the traditions of men. "As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." And a few verses down we read where Paul defined the term ceremonial rule or ordinances. In Vs. 20 "Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations." This word "regulations" in the Greek is dogmatizo which is where we get the English word "dogma" and it means to prescribe by statute and be subject to ordinances and ceremonial rule. So the Word of God teaches us that we should be rooted and grounded in the faith of Jesus and that we should beware of philosophy and deceit according to the traditions, regulations, or “dogma” of men. James the brother of Jesus stated concerning religion that “If anyone among you thinks he is religious, (threskeia) and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion (threskeia) is useless. Pure and undefiled religion (threskeia) before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. James 1:26-27. Notice that the Greek word here is the same as the Greek word used to describe the religion of the Pharisee’.



Some have become confused about this term “religion” because they believe James is advocating religion because he used the word here. This is a common mistake, but we will see that he was not advocating religion just because he used the word as we think this through. The first thing to realize is that he could not have been advocating religion because as was stated above the very word means ceremonial observance, or an outward show of ones beliefs and worship of their god. So let’s look at the author’s intent here, and then ask some questions. The question is, do we have observance of rituals and ceremonies when we visit orphans and widows in their trouble? No! Do we have observance of rituals and ceremonies when we work on keeping ourselves unspotted from the world? No! So what was the author’s intent when he used the word religion here? Notice the statement “thinks he is religious,” vs. 26. Jesus stated the same thing when He declared…"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.” Matt 6:1-4. This is exactly the same thing that James was conveying and we see Jesus said to do it in secret, as well as not sounding any trumpets or "do not do it with ceremonies."

So we can see by looking at the intent of the author that James’ use of the word religion here was in fact a denouncement of religion. Ceremonies or religion is an outward show of ones beliefs to their god. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the Father and Jesus our elder brother by the power of the Holy Spirit. What Jesus brought from the Father and then died for was so we could come to develop holy character in our lives. God wants us to develop a Christ like mind, becoming like our Father and Jesus in the spirit. Helping the widows, and fatherless from a heart of compassion, and the love of God is having the mind of God. The reason this is true acts of conversion is because the widows, and fatherless can never repay you in any way! All true acts of love are done without motive or any return except the love we receive from it."

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

very interesting stuff...One Love to our green Sister Lilli! :-)

it is important to acknowledge that there are many routes to God, Jah, Spirit, Love, IT, Great Spirit, (or whatever word you wish to use for the 'truth')..i always think of what Gandhi said..
'There are as many religions as there are leaves on a tree - but they are all rooted in God'

we move into dangerous territory when we start to judge anothers road to God- start demonising it as worthless, evil etc...we are all on our own path. respect the path of others. focus on your own journey. your own failings, your own sins..look within and see God.

leave the rest to JAH.

IF JAH BE WITH US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US?

One love all

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen dear Roney Amen
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"In order for Satan to deceive those that would follow Christ into worshipping him, he had to create a church that would have the name Christian, but with many false gods and false doctrines that came from old Satan worship. It may be hard for you to believe but Satan also is the one that created what we know of as religion so we would focus on the ceremonies and not God.Satan also must have in these last days, a government with economic and military power to give the great false church and beast power control over the earth. We read of this great system in the book of Revelation chapter 17 vs. 3.


This statement implies that Satan has the power of creation on his own and that true believers can be seduced by him because he has this power.
I disagree. Satan was actually a created being like us and the only power he has is what was given him as permission from God and then the little power he might have to mislead us if we let him...it's all in Job..Satan was given the power to tempt Job into recanting his belief and love for God because he and God had a bet going: satan bet God that he could make Job sin....
I don't think satan is alive and well on planet earth. We don't need to be constantly looking over our shoulders and dialoging with him about what's right and wrong. People do ungodly things because they are rebellious and because they feel like it. They don't have much of a conscience. Those are the people we all stay away from.....unless the Spirit tells us to speak to them.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

roney

"we move into dangerous territory when we start to judge anothers road to God- start demonising it as worthless, evil etc...we are all on our own path. respect the path of others. "

Not so.

We are told to test the spirits. We are told about the self-condemned and the deluding influence etc.

We are told about the ones who will fall away from the faith.

We don't have to judge; We just have to have access to the spirit of truth, in order to see them...

They condemn themselves.

Bush's road to God, is exposed; it is already condemned; You can not condemn, it already is done; to say Bush is evil, is to simply say what You see that is true, that the Bible says is evil.

If someones path is evil and it is killing people;

don't sit back and respect their path.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This statement implies that Satan has the power of creation on his own and that true believers can be seduced by him because he has this power.

Fyefly Satan had no hand in creatin of the world, but he does create counterfeit christians to mislead many. The path is wide the bible says and he is leading them. heir Ashcroft and Bush are great examples. Bush christian on sundays to the worlds view and then all cloak an dagger and satanic by night in the skull and bones club. Unfortunatly we do have to look over our shulders bro and in front of us as well. Because according to the book of revelations he has been cast down to us and it even says woe to the inhabiters of earth

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I don't think satan is alive and well on planet earth. We don't need to be constantly looking over our shoulders and dialoging with him about what's right and wrong.


We dont have to dialouge with him but hes there bro.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

And Ephisians gives us an even better picture of it.

Ephisians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Love Lilli
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks sista...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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roney

"we move into dangerous territory when we start to judge anothers road to God- start demonising it as worthless, evil etc...we are all on our own path. respect the path of others. "

Not so.

We are told to test the spirits. We are told about the self-condemned and the deluding influence etc.
We are told about the ones who will fall away from the faith.

We don't have to judge; We just have to have access to the spirit of truth, in order to see them...

They condemn themselves.

Bush's road to God, is exposed; it is already condemned; You can not condemn, it already is done; to say Bush is evil, is to simply say what You see that is true, that the Bible says is evil.

If someones path is evil and it is killing people;

don't sit back and respect their path.



I agree a lot with you and many of your posts GCW. You seem to be creating a new religion out of the old and so far it makes a lot of sense. I guess all of us here are sort of creating our religion as we go and yet no one of us is entirely independent of the other. Many different facets and all the checks and balances are needed and that is what I really love about this ministry is the tolerance and openness and willingness of all to work together towards a common goal.

Ok then, just because someone is on an evil or wrong path, does that necessarily make the person evil also? And yet should anyone be allowed to do anything they choose in the name of freewill? Free to do what? It seems an awful lot of people opposed GWB and his administration's choices, but no one was able to stop them either.

You talk a lot about the man of lawlessness mentioned in the bible. I think many people (including myself) may confuse religion or faith & grace with the law, or the Ten Commandments. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the law is something that can stand entirely separate from the rest of the Bible. I personally believe the Ten Commandments is all the law any of us need. I mean I can understand people's weakness and that not too many, if any, people, are able to keep all the commandments, as of yet anyway.

What really pisses me off is when people in power who are only suppose to be enforcing God's law are continually creating new and unjust laws of their own just because they themselves are unable or just flat out refuse to keep the commandments of God. Why can't they just come out and admit it?

No, they would rather make God out a liar than to humble themselves. And even the bible slappers flat out defy the law and call God a liar while trying to make God's true children look like a bunch of fools. I mean maybe it is impossible for any of us on our own to keep the commandments I don't know. But for people to swear on or slap the Bible and then blatantly go against everything it says really gets under my skin. Either that or they write a new version to suit their own rebellious lifestyle.

I mean I'm not much of a person to be calling anyone wicked, but far be it from me to use God's word to try and justify my own wickedness, while at the same time putting the burden of the unjust laws on others.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romadon says, “I agree a lot with you and many of your posts GCW. You seem to be creating a new religion out of the old and so far it makes a lot of sense.”


More than creating a new religion, I AM only making clear what already has been said.

My prayers includes knowing and understanding the truth as Christ God Our Father wishes Me to know it and know it so clearly that I can show You clearly; and show You so clearly that You will be able to show others clearly. I honestly believe it is one of the keys to being able to receive the promised “spirit of truth.”

I have asked to know the truth as He wishes for Me to know it, AND to share it. The truth is not mine. I can share in it, but it belongs to Our One Father. He has given it to all of Us; We only have to accept it. That is even better than the way We all are supposed to own the national forests…

Truth with / for a purpose. With out purpose, would I receive the Truth?

I want to take Us all to Christ God Our Father’s spirit of Truth; not divert anyone to My fresh religion… That spirit of truth is a main point of the Bible. It is serious that We have gone 2 thousand years and not obtained it. We should be a planet of civilized humans, not disobedient animals.

Christ God Our Father expects Us to obtain this; the spirit of truth.

IT is the communication system, designed for Christ to correspond to Us.

People with the spirit of truth can teach people to get this spirit of truth.

Why does it seem clergy isn’t teaching this?


Romadon asks, “Ok then, just because someone is on an evil or wrong path, does that necessarily make the person evil also?”


I hope someone helps answer this…



They are evil at the time. W. is evil; not just His actions. He still has the ability to wash his robe and become obedient and that should be Our prayer; that W. Bush would get the spirit of truth. The guy is a disobedience addict. And He aint just caging humans for using a plant; He’s killing people and setting records doing it (it is a kind of devil’s advocate, miracle that evil spirits can take so many regular church goers and turn them into supporters of killing and war… turn a fair proportion of people on the planet into disobedient Christian.)

Make no mistake, Bush is not loving people and killing them at the same time.

The commandments? Jesus Christ tells Us that We have obeyed the commandments, if We “love one another.” (those John areas again)

My experience is that I was pretty different years ago; unable to know the spirit of truth, even when people were perhaps trying to teach about it.

How I got from there to here, I can only attribute to Christ God Our Father… but I did.

I don’t think I was the freakin king of disobedience that W. is but I turned it around and I believe He can still turn it around. For now, He is faking it. I wasn’t even faking it, but faking it may be the worst. But then I never killed anyone…

Our brother George W. Bush is in trouble. The spirit of error controls W.

Pray that We can share the spirit of truth with Him; He who needs it most.


I AM trying to represent the epitome of good, with all the spiritual help I can muster. It makes Me think the epitome of evil is something You must use all the spiritual help You can muster to become a George W. Bush. And then I remember, He is a member of SKUL N BONES.

Again, We are told to test the spirits; there are different spirits; with different names. One of them is the spirit of error (1 John 4:6).

(“test the spirits” in the area subtitled, Testing the Spirits; 1 John 4 NASB.)

This is already written. We are not to prescribe to the spirit of error. We should wake up and give Our attention to Christ God Our Father’s “spirit of truth.”

Holy Spirit of Truth. Are We in for a fight.


My Father owns Me. Our Father. He owns all of Us. Not the U.S. Federal Government. They don’t own Me. They don’t tell Me I can not do something Our Father says We can do that is good. The Feds. think they override the state’s medical cannabis laws (for those 9 or whatever), but in fact Christ God Our Father overrides the U. S. Gov.

It seems Cannabis is the tree of life, which means obedient Christians will have more spiritual powers available to them, when THEY use cannabis. OBEDIENT CHRISTIANS. The spiritual powers of cannabis are increased, if You have consciousness of the Spirit of Truth. The combination helps bring You closer to seeing how they are almost like one.

And they are one; they are both blessings. High blessings.

NO SKUL N BONES MEMBER WANTS You to know that.

Things are going to need to become different.

2 different spirits want to occupy the same space.

Peacefully, the sword of the spirit, that is, the word of Christ God Our Father, shall make things clear.

The Biblical suckers iron handing My home, keeping people from getting to know Our Father more spiritually with Cannabis, are going to need to stop their Biblically shear hatred.

The spirit of truth makes light of the spirit of error.


Romadon says, “You talk a lot about the man of lawlessness mentioned in the bible…”

Yes, 2 Thes. 2. Among other things, this area (subtitled Man of Lawlessness) helps describe the Biblical timeline of the future, which seems like right about now (see Apostasy the subtitled 1 Timothy 4:1-5 area). In Man of Lawlessness, We are also told about the “deluding influence,” which becomes very clear to understand through the Spirit of Truth’s work. That deluding influence is prevalent. The deluding influence is described with some similarities to zombies.


And Romadon,

Thank You for Your encouragement.

If I were asked My last wish, I know I have already asked for and received it. This is My work. To gather what has been scattered. It is the greatest job in existence. Finding and sharing the Truth.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really love and appreciate how we're able to share our different points of view in the spirit of love and tolerance and appreciation of diversity, and of each other. This is what makes us, truly, an Interfaith Ministry.

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