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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Can you Drive high? Reply with quote

I was reading a post about a member's court case and some people started talking about being high well driving. So I thought I would strike up a discussion about it Very Happy mostly because I have a DUID for Cannabis pending at the moment.

Before you say "You can't drive high.....you'll hit something" hear me out.

If you never have and/or don't think you can NEVER drive high. Just don't risk it.

I drive around all day for a living going to and from people's homes some times I'm high other times not. The reason I smoke well driving is because I am a very VERY angry driver. What can I say stupid people piss me off. Cannabis has never affected my driving/reaction time in any BAD! way and I've been smoking and driving form age 16 (24 now). There are more roads in this country I have yet to drive on sober then not. I have heard storys of people who where too high and did hit things because of it, yet I have lead 5 guys in trucks cross country, and we where all high, the whole way and no problems what so ever. I myself won't go on a road trip unless I have penty to smoke.

AGAIN DO NOT DRIVE HIGH IF YOU NEVER HAVE AND/OR DON'T THINK YOU CAN! BE SAFE!

Many people do it, after all that is how most arrest are made, smokin in the car. So first I'll tell you what happend to me then I'll finally make my point Smile I have gotten TONS of tickets for speeding, most of them I was high (unless you use the cops 12 hour time frame then I was high for all of them) and almost all of them where on the highway for usally 80 in a 65. I did get arrested one time but no DUID because I was and always drive just fine. So I was pulled over for speeding.......81 in a 60 cause I was passing some moron who couldn't drive and my high had wore off so I was angry driving again. The officer comes up tells me I'm speeding I hand him my stuff, he goes back does his thing, comes back goes over the ticket with me has me sign it, hands me my copy, and THEN he asks "Let me ask you one more thing do you have any drugs, guns, weapons or pot in the car?" I say no he then says he can smell it and asks if I let a friend use the car or something. I said no, he then asks if he can search my car I say no because I have food melting in the back. He tells me he doesn't need me to agree because of the smell. Finds my 3.2 grams in a glass jar and my pipe. He then asked how long ago I smoked, I told him I took maybe a hit 3-4 hours ago. He then ask me to do the road side test and lies to me saying if I say no I can't drive for a year when I could of said no. Sorry for the long story but what the report says is things like this (no joke) I guessed 9 steps as 10, I skipped one number counting backwards, I put my foot down after 3 secs (on the side of a mountain in 20 degree weather this was done) in other words it took me 2 trys to stand on one foot, and other crap just like that. Now he didn't even remember what I told him my job was little lone if it was 9 or 10 steps. He also says he "clearly" smelled it when he first too my info........yet he "legaly" released me when I took the copy of the ticket.


So I want to say in court (yes this is very bold) that not only was I showing the opposite sign of some one under the infulence, but that studys have shown that yes Cannabis affects your driving.....BUT.....in away that makes people drive safer by going slower and leaving more room because you know you are high, drunks don't think really notice how messed up they are. Just google it and you will have a hard time finding bad things said about driving high.

Finally! (for everyone who lasted this long thank you) my point.

Cannabis could used in a RESONSIBLE way and amount, to help angry drivers like myself slow down and "play nice with others", in the Medicinal sense same as it is for people with pain and things.

Well first off "aggressive driving" is not something you go to your doctor for in the first place......... so what kinda doctor would you go to?

Again sorry it was so long but this isn't just a "simple" thought and the law says that it "must affect your ability to SAFELY operate a vehicle BEOND THAT OF A NORMAL PERSONS to the SLIGHTEST degree (for a DWAI charge which is lower than a DUID) so a "normal persons ability" to me means you just have to pass the driving test.

Let me know what everyone thinks and sorry for any mispellings and I am fighing that the search was illegal and will let everyone know what happens
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can agree with you, I have been driving while high all my life, I did my driving exames stoned and passed gloriously (3 times, car, bike and truck licence), I drive more than 25 years now, in Europe, where the traffic is much faster than the US, and have a 80% no-claim bonus from my insurance because I never made any accidents and I must have driven a couple of million kilometers.

My conclusion is that some people are good drivers and others are bad drivers but Cannabis does not make someone a bad driver whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you have to do is get a lawyer to ask if the officer had been through NHTSA certified training and to demonstrate a field sobriety test in court. All credibility for the tests as being a valid indicator of sobriety will evaporate with a failure to perform in court.


This is their only evidence of impairment if you don't dig your own grave with the wrong argument.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference in a driver who is high compared to when he is not, has only a 0.6% slower reaction time. That means that high drivers drive better than most people. Most folks can't drive, anyways.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about the over 40 generation. But, I grew up with Blip, then Pong, handheld football games, then Atari, then Nintendo, etc... I also grew up with herb.

Myself and pretty much every male herb smoker I've known in my age group, has smoked herb and played video games. This has been basically a training of hand eye coordination from a very early age.

The government and military knows quite well that the more hand eye coordination is practiced, the more accurate and faster you are. So, since most male smokers play video games while high, they are essentially superior with their reflex timing than my straight grandfather when he was my age.

Just some thoughts....
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

msactech1 wrote:
The difference in a driver who is high compared to when he is not, has only a 0.6% slower reaction time. That means that high drivers drive better than most people. Most folks can't drive, anyways.


I do not know if this 0.6% is officially measured, but what strikes me when I read this 0.6% 'slower' reaction time is that one person compared with any other person will have differences in reaction time that occurs naturally and exceeds 0.6% difference anyway. Not every person has the same reaction time as it is.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They banned cell phones while driving, but I do not know of one person who has actually had an officer enforse the law. For some people chewing gum and driving could be more dangerous than someone under the influence of alcohol.
The fact that they could actually take that driving under the influence of marijuana is dangerous seriously is a joke. I heard about one bill in Cali that didn't make it. Who's the moron that came up with the whole stupid idea, anyways? Bush?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Here is where it came from Reply with quote

www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/job185drugs/cannabis.htm

that is the "Fact sheet" for Cannabis......they do say that " The drug manufacturer suggest that patients receiving treatment with Marinol should be specifically warned not to drive unteil it is established that they are able to tolerate the drug and perfrom such tasks safely." Well Marinol is synthectic(spelling?) TetraHydroCannabinol (THC) and they say you can drive on that if you "are able to tolerate the drug and perform such stasks safely" Yet they then go on to say Cannabis causes problems well driving. ?!?!?!??!?!?!?! so if the THC is made in a lab its safe for a driver but not if its comes in cannabis form? Sounds to me like the manufacturers of Marinol had some say/money in this
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really on the topic but informative just the same. Jr!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^Yea, those facts may very well be true, but...

I bet he could drive while high. Laughing

Thanks for the info, brother Steve.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....and all these "educated" republican yuppies support him full tilt.
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