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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:25 am    Post subject: Bush: Us vs Them... Reply with quote

A friend of mine sent this....

Kenn Amdahl wrote:
Why Liberals Are So Sad


George Bush defined himself, his philosophy, his appeal, and his presidency
when he said, “You're either with us or against us”. He sees life as a
struggle between us and them and therefore appeals to the part of all of us
that cheers John Wayne, Indiana Jones, or Luke Skywalker. When we are
attacked, when our home is burglarized, our husband mugged, or our wife raped we
instinctively launch our inner John Wayne. It’s only human. Americans fall into
this mode easily, because we thrive on competition on the battlefield, in the
boardroom, or on the gridiron. After 9-11, we were a nation of John Wayne’s and
every smart country in the world knew to get out of our way.

But George paints every canvas with this one crude, tempting brush. It’s us
versus the terrorists; us versus the wimpy United Nations; America versus the
sneaky countries who want to subject us to the justice of the World Court;
America versus the criminals we hold at Guantanamo, where "prisoners' rights"
is an abstract concept; Christians versus sinners. Everyone who is not is
a competitor, someone to be defeated. In the context of sports, war, or
business, John Wayne is a good model.

But as one’s primary way of looking at a complex world, the model fails. Too
easily it becomes we the hard working wealthy versus them the lazy poor, we
courageous Americans versus them the cowardly French, us God-fearing Christians
versus those extremist Muslims, we freedom loving hawks versus those
flip-flopping doves, those perverted gay couples versus us good old traditional
straights, we the people who love God versus those dangerous people who want
separation of church and state.

Liberals, on the other hand, tend to think in terms of “We're all in this
together”. This is an equally noble and long-standing American principal. If one
family needed a barn, the entire community showed up to raise a barn for
them. When a hurricane hits Florida, people from Maine to Alaska send aid. When a
car gets stuck in the snow, people cheerfully volunteer to get wet and cold
pushing it clear. We know that we can amplify our goodwill by banding together.
We contribute to churches and the Red Cross so they can act as our agents to
help in larger tasks. We also expect our government to fill that roll. We can't
each go to the Sudan, but we expect our government to help those folks on our
behalf. Sure, we need a federal government to provide for the common defense,
to be a national John Wayne when appropriate. But we also need it to be our
national Jesus in situations where our churches can't be. Not to preach the
gospel, but to heal the sick, comfort the dying, feed the poor and bring hope to
the desperate. Because we're all in this together and we need to listen to
each other and help each other when we can.

When youre in an “us versus them” mind set, they aren't really quite
human and therefore don't deserve complete respect. One of the first thing we do
when we go to war is give the opponent a derisive group name. People who
could never shoot a human being were trained to shoot japs, gooks, chinks and
reds. In the recent campaign, the Cheney’s called Kerry a “bad man” and
conservatives on talk radio called him much worse. They do it with glee and
righteousness, because their comments don't refer to one of us but only to one of
them. Rush Limbaugh has a whole dictionary full of derisive names for those who
disagree with him. If you agree with Clinton, you're a Clintonista. Feminists
are feminazis. Ann Coulter would never call her least favorite aunt the names
she called Democrats this year, because she still thinks of her aunt as part
of her family. Clearly she no longer thinks of me that way.

And neither does Bush. To him, I am no longer an American because I’m not
with him on the war in Iraq. I’m not with him on stem cell research or
abortion. I don't care what conciliatory language he uses now, because I
recognize his mind set. I’ve seen it in bars all across America, and in boardrooms,
and in business negotiations and in the stands at sports events. I'm a fan of
the wrong team and my beer is going to cost me more money. I'm one of them.

If you subscribe to the “we are all in this together” philosophy, you can’t
be as mean back as they are to you. They can call me names I can’t call them,
they can use tactics I reject. To them, it might be moral to get an illegal
wiretap on my phone because it’s in our best interest, and I’m only one of
them. I’m a suspected terrorist, or a muslim, or an Afghan, or at least a
guy with an h in his name. I can’t do that back to them because we’re all in
this together. Everyone has rights.

So we disagree. We liberals think America’s power, like John Wayne’s,
derives more from the strength of our character than the size of our gun. The Duke
never threw the first (preemptive) punch, he never acted out of fear, he never
ignored his friends. Now America is fixated on its fears, it shoots in the
dark at threatening sounds, it bulls forward without concern for the council of
its allies. Killing even one frozen American embryo is a sin worthy of turning
an election, but killing 100,000 Iraqis is nothing, because Iraqis are
“them”. Sudanese are “them”. African AIDs victims are "them”. Palestinians are
"them." And now, our European allies are “them”.
Aristotle had an interesting idea. If one thought about a problem correctly
one could solve it without any outside information. Logic alone was enough.
The Catholic Church loved this idea and shaped it to its purposes. In the
church's version, one could understand the universe by applying faith to any
situation, no need for direct observation. In fact, direct observation was
counterproductive. Galileo’s real crime, and the reason he was prosecuted (while
Copernicus had not been for expressing the same ideas seventy years earlier) was not
his view that the earth revolved around the sun. His crime was that he
employed telescopes to arrive at his conclusion. Copernicus’s quaint model of the
solar system posed no threat to the church. But the idea that facts derived from
observation could actually replace doctrine set out by the church, that was
heresy. The church correctly anticipated the threat of that slippery slope and
came down hard on him. When Galileo invited a priest who was visiting him to
step out onto the balcony and look through his telescope, the priest declined,
saying there was no need. He already knew what he would see.

In a poignant modern corollary, an American soldier wrote home about his
experience manning an Iraqi checkpoint. The orders were to stop every vehicle,
and if a vehicle would not stop, kill the occupants. So as each vehicle
approached, the soldiers held up one hand in the universal signal to stop recognized
by every six year old who’s obeyed a crossing guard, palm out, fingers
together. To the soldier’s surprise, many Iraqis ignored them and simply kept
driving. In the first two days, they killed 32 Iraqis. Only then did someone tell
them that in Iraq that hand gesture is a common form of greeting, a way to say
“hello”, not an order to stop.

Our government had felt no need to research the gesture, because it had
complete faith that it already knew. It does not need proof that gay marriages
will harm America, it already knows. It already knows that embryonic stem cells
won’t cure diseases. Regardless of the failure of Reagan’s tax cuts to
stimulate the economy and reduce Carter’s $30 billion deficit (creating a $200
billion dollar deficit instead) they believe they already know that tax cuts will do
it this time. No need to check the facts, the history or the logic. It’s a
matter of faith. Despite the universal failure of church-states, they already
know the more religion in government the better.

They have a right to that opinion, of course, because we’re all in this
together. But for those of us who identify more with Galileo, who want to study
facts and then make our decisions, who reserve the right to flip flop whenever
new information compels us, we feel like we’re looking down the barrel of a new
dark age. We recognize the pattern. The people in power don’t need to examine
facts to make decisions, they can do it by faith alone. In countless large
and small ways, they will be ruthless enforcing their beliefs because they are
certain of their correctness. Justice and fairness only apply to “us”.

And I know, I’m one of them”.

Kenn Amdahl
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Kenn Amdahl is the author or co-author of Algebra Unplugged, Calculus for
Cats, There Are No Electrons: Electronics for Earthlings, The Land of Debris and
the Home of Alfredo, and Joy Writing.

Kenn is president of Clearwater Publishing, founder of Book Organizations of
Colorado and past president of the Colorado Independent Publishers
Association. He has served on the board of the Colorado Authors League, Rocky Mountain
Fiction Writers, and the National Writers Club. He has been an active volunteer
with Mountains and Plains Booksellers Association, Colorado Association of
Libraries, Publishers Association of the West, and Publishers Marketing
Association. He lives in Broomfield, Colorado.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..... but to heal the sick, comfort the dying, feed the poor and bring hope to the desperate. Because we're all in this together and we need to listen to each other and help each other when we can.
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we feel like we’re looking down the barrel of a new
dark age. We recognize the pattern. The people in power don’t need to examine
facts to make decisions, they can do it by faith alone. In countless large
and small ways, they will be ruthless enforcing their beliefs because they are
certain of their correctness. Justice and fairness only apply to “us”.

Amen to that bro reminds me of Isaiah 61
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's kind of a funny little email I just got may go good with this thread.


Quote:
Republican Dictionary



Just a vocabulary expander we may need the next 4 years.


BI-PARTISANSHIP, n. When conservative Republicans work together with
moderate Republicans to pass legislation Democrats hate.

CLARIFY, v. Repeating the same lie over and over again.

CLEAN, adj. The word used to modify any aspect of the environment
Republican legislation allows corporations to pollute, poison, or destroy.

FAIRER, adj. Regressive.

FAITH, n. The stubborn belief that God approves of Republican moral
values despite the preponderance of textual evidence to the contrary.

FAITH COMMUNITY, n. Evangelicals, because they are saved, and hawkish
conservative Jews, because they are useful. Israel is the
bait-on-the-hook just waiting for God to take that Rapturous bite.

FISCAL CONSERVATIVE, n. A Republican who is in the minority.

FREEDOM, n. What Arabs want but can't achieve on their own without
Western military intervention. It bears a striking resemblance to chaos.

GROWTH, n. The justification for tax cuts for the rich. What happens to
the deficits when Republicans cut taxes on the rich.

HONESTY, n. Lies told in simple declarative sentences:
"Freedom is on the march."

HUMBLE FOREIGN POLICY, n. The invasion of any sovereign nation whose
leadership Republicans don't like.

HUMBLED adj. What a Republican says right after a close election and
right before he governs in an arrogant manner.

MORAL VALUES, n. Hatred of homosexuals dressed up in Biblical language.

MANDATE, n. What a Republican claims to possess when only 49 percent of
the voting public loathes him instead of 51 percent.

THE MEDIA, n. Immoral elitist liberally-biased traitors who should leave
Republicans alone so they can complete God's work on Earth in peace and
quiet, behind closed doors.

PHILOSOPHY, n. Religion.

SIMPLIFY, tr. v. To cut the taxes of Republican donors.

SLAVE, n. A person without legal rights, e,g. a fetus.

BONUS DEFINITION:
NEO-CONSERVATIVES, n. Nerds with Napoleonic complexes.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: Bush: Us vs Them... Reply with quote

Fyrefly1 wrote:
A friend of mine sent this....
Kenn Amdahl wrote:
Why Liberals Are So Sad


I read it and it's another good one Fyrefly. Thanx. I also emailed it to my nephew. Not sure he'll get to read it because his Dad is a strong Catholic and may be censuring a lot if not everything I send.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Amen to that bro reminds me of Isaiah 61


Yeah Lilli, Isaiah 61 is good!

It's all about God hating unrighteousness and paying it back with justice.....

And 'for as the earth brings forth the bud, so God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before the nations....' Smile Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frog hullamod frog
And we shall go forth in the dance of those laughing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:10 am    Post subject: When the balloon full of 'hot air' finally meets the pin Reply with quote

Hello out there,

Aloha. In order to help myself get more 'positive' today I came to our forum and found all kinds of wonderful and uplifting things to read and manta rays to see and much more. What a great, dedicated family of people. Thanks for being you - whoever you are. Mahalo.

A very successful lawyer on this island had a trick that he used in closing arguments with any jury that worked every time. Thinking of it gives me a good feeling as I also think of Bush's second term, US domestic and foreign policy, greenhouse gasses, the Republican 'right' and evangelical Christians, etc.

Here's the 'trick' and its connection to world events:

In his final argument to the jury the lawyer would pull a balloon out of his pocket and blow into it and fill it up. He would tie it off. It was now a fairly large-sized pink balloon that he held in one hand. He told the jury that it represented the prosecution's case against his client...filled with this and that and lots of hot air!

He then would reach into the lapel of his suitcoat and pull out a pin and hold it in the other hand. He would tell the jury that the pin represented 'reasonable doubt' and it was all his client needed to be acquitted of whatever charge they had against them.

You guessed it; he would then have the pin meet the balloon! POP!

Even though everyone knew that the balloon was going to pop, it always caused a stir and everyone jumped a bit at the second that it happened.

He won almost every case with that very same ending. It was very simple and yet it was very direct and it had impact! It startled people in the courtroom and it won freedom for clients. Juries are always instructed to acquit if there is 'reasonable doubt'. Even just a pin size of it. Bingo! Case closed. Game over. I hunger for a similar defining moment.

In my opinion, George W. Bush and his posse are the balloon filled with lots of hot air - family wealth and political connections, deceptions, deceit, corruption, greed, lies, misstatements of fact, tampering with evidence and worse. It's all there and it looks and feels like it's huge and overpowering. Yes, they are God-beings, too. I got that. They work very hard at who they are and what they do. I actually admire audacity - on some level, but enough is enough! People die as a result of their policies and I truly believe they are 'death-cult' people. Life means almost zero to them.

In my opinion, it's my job (our job) to help deliver the pin to the balloon.
What's the pin? Holy anointing oil made with cannabis.

I'm here in Hilo, Hawai'i and you are wherever you are around the world. We do the best we can from day-to-day and life goes on. Maybe you have a 'ministry' - maybe you don't. "Little-by-little" hasn't been enough to turn the tide of public opinion back to 'sanity' as we define it. Liberty and sanity seems to be 'slip-sliding away', as Paul Simon sang it.

I live in gratitude for all that I have and all that I can help others with. Life is a big blessing in itself. AND orders for kits are way too slow for me. Referrals are few and far between. Donations to this ministry have been almost non-existent, even by those who swear they will help - in one way or another. Significant assistance to righteously and measurably do the job we're called to do would be nice. A friend of mine described it as like having a steak knife to (eventually) cut firewood when a chainsaw would get the job done RIGHT NOW!

Who's got a chainsaw? We do. It's called holy anointing oil.

Measured by the latest arrest statistics for marijuana in the USA, or for greenhouse gasses, or whatever, the planet and the people on it are losing ground every day. For instance; 66% of children in the world TODAY are malnurished and go to bed hungry. It's WAY beyond unacceptable when hempseed can solve the protein problem. Cancer is on the rise and cannabis helps to PREVENT cancer. Hempseed oil helps to reduce stroke and heart disease, etc., etc.

Holy anointing oil.

I've been a pro-cannabis guy for decades now. I resisted the Bible and
Christianity and ALL religions mightily until recently. Now I see organized religion as a "God, that's great!".

Since we now know that most of them started with cannabis sacrament and we're cannabis sacrament practitioners and ministers, we get to help re-define 'contemporary Christianity' and spirituality through holy anointing oil. The 'oil of gladness' as Rev. Rodger of Ohio pointed out.

With the wave of so-called Christianity running the US government and much of the war-torn world, I believe that holy anointing oil will be the pin that pops the hot air balloon of negativity on the planet.

Cannabis, the plant of renown, prophesied in code within the Bible as the return of the Christ (anointed) spirit has the best chance I know of to do the sacred job of bringing renewed harmony, peace and prosperity to this planet and to the people on it.

Let's break the 'yoke of bondage' with holy anointing oil made with cannabis. Let's celebrate our right to the 'tree of life' and finally enter through the gates into the heavenly city. Hallelujah! Amen.

POP!

Much love, Roger


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hallelujah. Glory to God I see the LIGHT.

I see great things just around the bend for the THC Ministry. This Columbia ministry is such an oppurtunity to share the love and healing legaly.

Roger I will be in prayer about your finances. I apologise mine are late. My husband has had a bad spell an missed quite a bit of work in the last month and then we got caught in that awful payday loan trap. Car probs,credit card maxed ect. But Its getting better bit by bit and I will be able to get my tithes in to you. Soon. A cpl weeks.

I sure do wish you were able to come and talk to Mr Viets with us. You have such an extensive knowledge of how to procede and a wonderful way of speaking. God works in mysterious ways. You may get here yet. If not he will direct us. " Gods word is a lamp unto your feet. An a light unto our path." Bless the Lord and God Bless you Roger
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen, Bro Roger!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for Great words Roger....makes me want to get up and dance!

Your words are indeed a wonderful boost for those called to do the work...(all of us).

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been smoking the Holy Oil as that's the only thing that really works for me being most of the benefit I would derive from Cannabis lies in the ability it gives to me to focus my attention and gain control over my breath. I don't actually get a feeling of being high as many may assume, whatever high I do get seems to be associated more with technique and what kind of effort I put into it.

Of coarse I believe attitude or faith is a key ingredient when partaking of the Holy Sacrament. I think most of the high feelings I ever had in the past were more associated with extreme paranoia and an intense sense of urgency in repenting of my sins and righting or realigning my body/soul/spirit in an effort to re-establish at/one/ment with my Creator in which Cannabis Sacrament never lied to me and never failed to lead me in the right direction as long as I was willing and held fast to my faith facing my fears.

Ok, I guess that still sounds kinda screwy but be patient folks, I'm working on it. Laughing
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Has anyone smoked the Holy Oil other than me and if so what is your experience with it? Is it possible to obtain a high from it? I think many people confuse a feeling of wholeness and wellbeing with being high. So Cannabis helps me to realign my being and break many of my bad habits I have piled up.

People used to think I was acting insane or weird and would think I must be on drugs or something because I felt an urgent need to break out of my established routine of doing everything wrong which had their approval or worse yet was what they expected of me then when you decide to break with old habits and set a new coarse for yourself they get all freaked out about it.
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...to re-establish at/one/ment with my Creator in which Cannabis Sacrament never lied to me and never failed to lead me in the right direction as long as I was willing and held fast to my faith facing my fears.

Ok, I guess that still sounds kinda screwy but be patient folks, I'm working on it.


We're all working on it. When it comes to matters of consciousness/spirit, our subjective perceptions have outgrown our vocabulary. Words cannot express what words cannot express...but we'll get there.

There's a global conversation taking place about these very concepts, on a scale unprecedented in human history.

That gives me hope. Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great uplifting words Roger. The healing powers of cannabis and the holy oil... Great idea to focus on.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romadon wrote:
Has anyone smoked the Holy Oil other than me and if so what is your experience with it? Is it possible to obtain a high from it? I think many people confuse a feeling of wholeness and wellbeing with being high. So Cannabis helps me to realign my being and break many of my bad habits I have piled up.

People used to think I was acting insane or weird and would think I must be on drugs or something because I felt an urgent need to break out of my established routine of doing everything wrong which had their approval or worse yet was what they expected of me then when you decide to break with old habits and set a new coarse for yourself they get all freaked out about it.


I was asking a serious question here, did yawl just miss this post or what? I understand that breaking with old habits may not justify taking on new ones but I sure would hate to be guilty of blasphemy for committing murder just because I ran out of Jelly Bellies. Twisted Evil
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