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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:28 am    Post subject: Bush is the real criminal, not Saddam. (?) Reply with quote

John Kaminski wrote:
"They Got The Wrong Guy"

Bush is the real criminal, not Saddam.


By John Kaminski
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In these corrupt times 'War is peace', Orwell said. It has never been
clearer than now.

The theatrical apprehension of fallen Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein
from his pathetic hole in the dirt is a prima facie example of how the
American vision of life and the world has become totally twisted. It
was the culmination of an unjust war against a defenseless people, this
ritual roughing up of a tired old man who was never more than a puppet
following the orders of the master manipulators who always planned to
do him in when it became convenient.

Saddam was never a danger to America, despite all the pre-war
rhetoric that has all been proven false.

George W. Bush, and his father, the elder Bush before him
killed many times more Iraqis than Saddam ever did. The 20,000 or so
Iraqi innocents who perished in the recent bombing of the Cradle of
Civilization were at least ten times more than the number of political
malcontents who ran afoul of the murderous machismo of Saddam's
inflexible rule, and the utter destruction of this functioning
nation-state was certainly something Hussein never contemplated.

What the United States has done to Iraq is something far worse than
Saddam Hussein ever would or could have done. Saddam was never a danger
to his neighbors; that was all Zionist media spin. The only country in
that region that was worried about him was Israel, because he
represented an inflexible stumbling block to the expansionist aims of
the demonic Jewish state.

Americans refuse to confront the ugly facts about this. They refuse
to acknowledge that America has become the real evil empire.

The reasons for invading Iraq have been proved beyond any doubt to
have been lies. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, nor did it
have any connection to 9/11, the two reasons America used to unleash
murderousits military might. These have been debunked beyond all question,
and still Americans send their sons and daughters to slaughter and be
sacrificed for the ugly perpetuation of these lies.

How Americans could continue to support these satanic fictions is
something for the historians to contemplate. When you use obvious lies
to go to war, then you are the criminals, you are the evil ones. But
Americans simply will not or cannot admit this.

Bush's decision to go to war based on lies have already cost some
700 American lives, with more than 5,000 other casualties, and
thousands more stricken with a variety of diseases related to vaccines,
radioactive weaponry, and other unspecified hazards. Plus there's the
nearly $200 billion expended from the Treasury that has not gone to
either pay our military for such arduous duty or rebuild the country we
have just destroyed.

This money is literally a highway robbery of the American people
directed by favored American corporations who have reaped billions
virtually without lifting a finger. American corporations who have
contributed mightily to George Bush and his fascist associates are
overseeing the greatest robbery in history (eclipsing the previous
record set by Bush the Elder in his plundering of American banks in the
late 1980s).

But the American criminal behavior, you must remember, goes much
deeper. For 12 years, America and Britain have bombed Iraq constantly,
destroyed its civilian infrastructure, and caused the deaths of a half
million children who were deprived adequate medical care and nutrition,
all this after more than 100,000 were killed in the first Gulf War, all
this after a century of exploitation and mass murder by - who else? -
America and Britain.

Americans refuse to see that the war against the Muslim world has
been going on for more than a thousand years, and nothing has basically
changed. We install leaders who do our bidding, and then when we find a
more lucrative way to fleecing that part of the world., we do away with
them.

Either Americans remain oblivious to the pain we inflict on this
part of the world, or worse, we know what we are doing, which makes us
sadistic killers in order to maintain our posh (though rapidly
deteriorating) lifestyles. This is the real American way - mass murder
for money.

So now, War is peace. America is creating a hell on earth. This
mission has been accomplished in Iraq and Afganistan
and many other places. And now the criminals who engineer these
corrupt evil inhuman scams seem to want to make
America itself into the same kind of place, with arrest without
trial, poisoned medicines and medical care you can't trust, the
imprisonment of citizens who challenge the banks' warped fictions, and
even the end of an authentic voting system.

Even in the obvious onslaught of all these atrocities, most
Americans - perhaps brain-damaged by long-term exposure to flouride,
radioactivity, food additives and other debilitators - prefer to
believe the obvious lies spewed out by TV PR types (there are no
legitimate
journalists remaining in mainstream media, only paid shills) that
America is still the world's last bastion of freedom.

Well, that's a lie, just like war is peace. In reality, America is
the new Nazi state, goose-stepping around the world.

Americans are now like what they call "trusties" in the prison of
the world. They are like favored lackeys on the plantation of the
planet. But soon, as capitalism continues to self-destruct around the
world, they too will be tossed into the slave quarters, treated like
Iraqis, and consigned to caves like Saddam found, hiding from the
mindless might that has been unleased in order to further the fortunes
of the elite, and pound and poison cannon fodder like us into
nonexistence.

Saddam is not the real criminal here. He didn't destroy his own
country. He only offed some political opponents, something that happens
very often right here in America.

The real mass murderer is Bush. The corporate TV stations continue
to treat Bush as, if not a hero, at least someone who is operating the
righteous machinery of democracy.

Democracy is now as much of a lie as war is peace. Democracy is the
new buzzword for tyranny.
There is a robbery going on here which may be too late to stop.
The siphoning of money, resources and even water from the people
who rightfully own them to the military-backed corporations who
wrongfully control them signals a new dark era in human history, a new
totalitarianism frequently predicted in the literature of visionaries
like Orwell and Huxley, but never actually witnessed, at least on
American soil.

Now with all these free-speaking people put in prison for merely
trying to accurately describe what is happening: Leonard Peltier, Ernst
Zundel, Charles Sell, Rick Stanley, the list has always been endless
we are witnessing the dawn of a new Dark Ages in which you must believe
what you hear on television of you will ultimately lose everything you
have.

Stay tuned for "red alert," during which you won't be able to leave
your houses so they can come around and take you away one by one.

The American dream is now a nightmare from which there is no
escape.

John Kaminski is the author of "America's Autopsy Report," a
collection of his Internet essays. For more information click
http://www.johnkaminski.com/

Contributions to the author who otherwise derives no income from
these essays and whose only job is to expose this conspiracy to plunder
the planet are always gratefully accepted.

To read more of Kaminski's essays, click
http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um.. yeah.. well... they both are realy.
Saddam killed 100's of innocent people. Hes no saint.
as long as we follow the path of hate and violence, no matter who it is, its still wrong. Peace and brotherhood is the only true path to God.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you can call it a nightmare,
they will have their own evil eating them from the inside.

60% of the Americans are over weight .one of three has cancer.
they have autism from 1;10,000 ten years ago 1;1000 today.
millions who are drug addicts.Hep.C ect...
and then 1/3 of the kids in Detroit have no father, who are most of the time on the streets.
same in N.Y.C and major big cities.
and on and on.
who will be going to serve the Army? only those who have no food on the table at home, no jobs, no education, no health insurance.
same as Africa. it is a nightmare.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strong article!

Can't say I really disagree with anything in it, although some of the rhetoric is shading on the tabloid side of good journalism.

So, america

Whatcha gonna do?

If ya do nothing, your mighty empire will go the way of the greeks & romans.

Maybe y'all deserve it for what you did to the native people of your own country, what you allow to happen to the native people of other counties now.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saddam is certainly not saint. He's committed some pretty horrendous crimes against his own people.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

indicaspice wrote:
Saddam is certainly not saint. He's committed some pretty horrendous crimes against his own people.


I totally agree with you. Still I guess when two monsters are fighting, the winner still is a monster after the fight. I mean there's been lots of crimes again humanity going on on both sides, Saddam is stopped now. When would the other be stopped...and by who?

World politics look very scary right now.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

evil is evil,there is no better evil.

who can I trust?

NO ONE.

christ isn't here to tell,but

evil is growing by the day. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

there is no one to save us, is there?
where are all the taxes gone?
is there a presidescial X-mess diner party?
not from my taxes please.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:25 pm    Post subject: YEP Reply with quote

America does deserve to crumble if you think about how it was taken from the natives. but most of us are descendants of immigrants who came long after the Europeans raped this land. Remember it's not just USA. ALL of Central America was raped by spain, South America was raped by Spain & Portugual, North America was raped by England and mostly France. More than half of USA was bought off of France, and in Canada they still speak French(& english) like we in america speak English. And what about all those Caribean Islands. most were stolen by Spain, some England, half of one by France. and IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THERE IS 3 ISLANDS THAT ARE OWNED BY NETHERLAND-ANTILLES. The A B C Islands. The Dutch, to a smaller Degree, are as guilty as the rest. Now, as common a Dutch citizen you can not be blamed, so don't blame common american's,it's not our fault. it wasn't even my ancestors, I'm Irish, Italian-German American. so please don't wish for the land i live in to die, cause i might die too, & all i do is express love. Sorry if USA hurt you. I still luv ya.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you have said that right Nick, politics suck and this usually goes way over the heads of the general public. That's you and me. Wherever we live or where born, we have a global problem when it comes down to politics and the only thing we can do to change this is to all work together to let as many people as possible know what kind of sneaky stuff is really going on in those government offices.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes its not fair to lump all people in one group just because of where they live. We all agree that to say all Iraqi people are bad because a few are is wrong. But when people(even here) talk about America(Americans) they do that very thing.
Im an American. I dont agree with a lot of things going on in the world, or here at home. I know many others who arent happy either. But we are ruled by our governments, just as all of you out there are by yours. Yes we have to try and vote out the bad and find good leaders. But so do many other countrys.
Im sure that you all dont mean to include ALL Americans in your slurs(and they often are) about the USA. But speaking as an American, it often comes across that way to me, and others im sure. Its the government out of control thats to blame. And many of us are trying to do something about it.
Ive seen people post ridiculous things like "well you need to stand up and have a revolution. Take back your country by force if needed" and other such nonsense. Its easy to sit back and say what somebody else must do. But its not so easy to make changes sometimes when its YOU that has to do them. We are trying, many of us. And sometimes it would be nice if the world recognized that fact.

We are not all bad.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We recognize that fact Chaz, at least I hope we do. As I said many times, we have a global problem and together we can make some difference. It's not only American politicians who are corrupted by the chemical industries, it's about the whole so called western world.

people like you, who are active and try to make some change are the last people to blaim and I'm sorry if something here has made you think different. Please understand when people write "the Americans" they usually mean "The American politics" and we all know they suck for Americans too.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 11:43 pm    Post subject: In America Reply with quote

I myself am dutch english welsh and irish. I am a mutt but a uk refugee kidnapped and brought here in some great great great great grandmothers womb on the Mayflower. I am here against my will. ~Lilli~
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ferre wrote:
We recognize that fact Chaz, at least I hope we do. .


Yeah Ferre, I know you do. Smile I apologize if I seemed to abrupt.
Please chalk it up to the combination of personal problems, waning confidence in my political leaders, being tired all the time, and stubbornly holding on to a little civic pride when it comes to my country. I sometimes feel like I need to stand up a little for 'old glory'... Even if I dont agree with mein fuer(Bush) and his gang.

Please dont judge me to harshly by what I posted. Hopefuly i will be in better spirits soon. I will try and keep from posting stuff like that from now on. It did seem a little off now that I re-read it.

I have the greatest respect for this forum and the people who run, visit and share it. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 7:48 am    Post subject: oh brother Reply with quote

Brother Chazman. Dont feel bad after 9/11 I heard so much anti american stuff> I seen it sever friendships The hate the american campagne was on. People in other lands need to hate our government
but realise there we green are a few good ones.The good people here know this. bro click this link the message is at the end of the song when ya see the flag..
http://www.ericblumrich.com/idiot.html
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the thing is...........


It goes so far beyond Bush....he is merly a puppet or a pawn in the larger chess game he is a terrorist but.............you are forgetting that he is merly controlled by the illumanati /NWO he is only a figure head he is dispensable and can be replaced at a moments notice by another sitting in power already

this stretches far beyond the United States
It involves England the E.U. and all the wealth in the world.these NWO/illum are the real driving force

we need to quit laying all the blame on the feet of the US administration as they are not ALONE in this.yes we are the driving force at this time in history but......that is only due to our military prowess.If theyre was another country that posessed more military prowess than us THEY would BE the Driving force



this goes to the movers and shakers of the world ,Rockerfellers,Bilderburgers,Kennedys,Rothschilds,the list of names is long and impressive. but reality is it is these people who are calling the shots


quit taking the easy road out and laying ALL the blame on the US YOU know better than that YOU all know the truth I have seen you all discuss it here in the past.


the net that now controls the world is much larger than GW and his Cronies


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