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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:59 am    Post subject: America is a religion? Reply with quote

They have no shame at all :

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America is a Religion
US Leaders Now SeeThemselves as Priests of a Divine Mission to Rid the World of Its Demons
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0729-11.htm

by George Monbiot

...The United States is no longer just a nation. It is now a religion. Its soldiers have entered Iraq to liberate its people not only from their dictator, their oil and their sovereignty, but also from their darkness. As George Bush told his troops on the day he announced victory: "Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, "come out," and to those in darkness, "be free".'"

So American soldiers are no longer merely terrestrial combatants; they have become missionaries. They are no longer simply killing enemies; they are casting out demons. The people who reconstructed the faces of Uday and Qusay Hussein carelessly forgot to restore the pair of little horns on each brow, but the understanding that these were opponents from a different realm was transmitted nonetheless. Like all those who send missionaries abroad, the high priests of America cannot conceive that the infidels might resist through their own free will; if they refuse to convert, it is the work of the devil, in his current guise as the former dictator of Iraq.

As Clifford Longley shows in his fascinating book Chosen People, published last year, the founding fathers of the USA, though they sometimes professed otherwise, sensed that they were guided by a divine purpose. Thomas Jefferson argued that the Great Seal of the United States should depict the Israelites, "led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night". George Washington claimed, in his inaugural address, that every step towards independence was "distinguished by some token of providential agency". Longley argues that the formation of the American identity was part of a process of "supersession". The Roman Catholic church claimed that it had supplanted the Jews as the elect, as the Jews had been repudiated by God. The English Protestants accused the Catholics of breaking faith, and claimed that they had become the beloved of God. The American revolutionaries believed that the English, in turn, had broken their covenant: the Americans had now become the chosen people, with a divine duty to deliver the world to God's dominion. Six weeks ago, as if to show that this belief persists, George Bush recalled a remark of Woodrow Wilson's. "America," he quoted, "has a spiritual energy in her which no other nation can contribute to the liberation of mankind."

Gradually this notion of election has been conflated with another, still more dangerous idea. It is not just that the Americans are God's chosen people; America itself is now perceived as a divine project. In his farewell presidential address, Ronald Reagan spoke of his country as a "shining city on a hill", a reference to the Sermon on the Mount. But what Jesus was describing was not a temporal Jerusalem, but the kingdom of heaven. Not only, in Reagan's account, was God's kingdom to be found in the United States of America, but the kingdom of hell could also now be located on earth: the "evil empire" of the Soviet Union, against which His holy warriors were pitched.

Since the attacks on New York, this notion of America the divine has been extended and refined. In December 2001, Rudy Giuliani, the mayor of that city, delivered his last mayoral speech in St Paul's Chapel, close to the site of the shattered twin towers. "All that matters," he claimed, "is that you embrace America and understand its ideals and what it's all about. Abraham Lincoln used to say that the test of your Americanism was ... how much you believed in America. Because we're like a religion really. A secular religion." The chapel in which he spoke had been consecrated not just by God, but by the fact that George Washington had once prayed there. It was, he said, now "sacred ground to people who feel what America is all about". The United States of America no longer needs to call upon God; it is God, and those who go abroad to spread the light do so in the name of a celestial domain. The flag has become as sacred as the Bible; the name of the nation as holy as the name of God. The presidency is turning into a priesthood.

So those who question George Bush's foreign policy are no longer merely critics; they are blasphemers, or "anti-Americans". Those foreign states which seek to change this policy are wasting their time: you can negotiate with politicians; you cannot negotiate with priests. The US has a divine mission, as Bush suggested in January: "to defend ... the hopes of all mankind", and woe betide those who hope for something other than the American way of life.

The dangers of national divinity scarcely require explanation. Japan went to war in the 1930s convinced, like George Bush, that it possessed a heaven-sent mission to "liberate" Asia and extend the realm of its divine imperium. It would, the fascist theoretician Kita Ikki predicted: "light the darkness of the entire world". Those who seek to drag heaven down to earth are destined only to engineer a hell.

· George Monbiot's books 'Poisoned Arrows' and 'No Man's Land' are republished this week by Green Books.

[center]© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 [/center]


What do you think of this? What's next?

I really wonder what you guys&girls think of this, in my opinion America "preaches" WAY TOO MUCH VIOLENCE! In my opinion the U.S. political leaders abuse the word "religion", the word they should be using instead is "fascism"

What's your opinion on this???

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AGREED

But what should be done about it?

What can I do about it?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's a neat article. I guess I'm a heretic. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power gained with the consent of people is easy to mantain. Power gained with force, will be lost.

trust me here peeps! I had good teachers!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about apathy? could delay the loss of power...indefinately Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apathy certainly was considered, but then I thought..

"Nah, I can't be bothered with it"

On a serious note, here's another example of how 'fourth reich' things are getting.


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Statewatch press release, 1 August 2003

NEW UK-US EXTRADITION TREATY

- removes or restricts key protections for defendants
- signed and adopted without any parliamentary scrutiny

see: http://www.statewatch.org/news/2003/jul/25ukus.htm

Today Statewatch is publishing a 6,000 word analysis of the new UK-US
Treaty (which will replace the 1972 UK-US Treaty), together with a number
of relevant cases and issues that raise serious concern about the new
agreement (and those agreed on 25 June between the EU and US).

On 31 March, David Blunkett, UK Home Secretary, signed a new Extradition
Treaty on behalf of the UK with his United States counterpart, Attorney
General Tom Ashcroft, ostensibly bringing the US into line with procedures
between European countries. The UK parliament was not consulted at all and
the text was not public available until the end of May.

The UK-US Treaty has three main effects:

- (1) it removes the requirement on the US to provide prima facie evidence
when requesting the extradition of people from the UK but maintains the
requirement on the UK to satisfy the "probable cause" requirement in the US
when seeking the extradition of US nationals;

- (2) it removes or restricts key protections currently open to suspects
and defendants;

- (3) it implements the EU-US Treaty on extradition, signed in Washington
on 25 June 2003, but far exceeds the provisions in this agreement.

The report analyses:

A. The new UK-US Treaty and its implications for peoples' rights and
accountability (which will replace the 1972 UK-US Treaty) and B. Spells out, with detailed cases, ten areas of concern on judicial
cooperation with the USA

Ben Hayes of Statewatch comments:

"Under the new treaty, the allegations of the US government will be enough
to secure the extradition of people from the UK. However, if the UK wants
to extradite someone from the US, evidence to the standard of a
"reasonable" demonstration of guilt will still be required.

No other EU countries would accept this US demand, either politically or
constitutionally. Yet the UK government not only acquiesced, but did so
taking advantage of arcane legislative powers to see the treaty signed and
implemented without any parliamentary debate or scrutiny.

Guantanamo Bay, the failed extradition of Lofti Raissi and US contempt for
the International Criminal Court make this decision to remove relevant UK
safeguards all the more alarming"

1. The full report and documentation is on:[url]
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2003/jul/25ukus.htm[/url]

2. It is also also available to download in "pdf" format with live links to
sources:[url] http://www.statewatch.org/news/2003/jul/analy18.pdf[/url]

For further information please send an e-mail to: office@statewatch.org
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We here at the 'Alpha-Omega Report' have been saying
this all along. Also, Mr. R.A. Coombes, the author of
"America, The Babylon" has been saying the same thing all
along that Revelation 17, refers to America's national
symbol, a woman called the "Mother of Whores" (mother of
harlots) in Revelation 17:5. The chapter conveys the
notion in a subtle manner that this 'national symbol'
becomes its own religion in its own right.

In reality, the nation worships itself. A concept
called "Freedom and Liberty"...which was a key tenet or
doctrine of the Chief Babylonian Goddess, ISHTAR - who held
the sacred and holy title (in Babylon) of "Mother of
Harlots". The facts are, this nation worships this Ishtar
character and her ideals, which are purely Babylonian and
of Baal (Satan), but seemingly are innocuous at worst and
seemingly noble at best. The facts are, that Ishtarism is
the most cunningly deceptive idea that the Evil One has
ever launched at a nation, his followers, and their
clients.

Mr. R.A. Coombes' studied the facts, which he points
out to the "Statue of Liberty" as being the sculptor's
vision of Ishtar of Babylon. She is referred to by
Bartholdi, the sculptor, as the goddess Libertas, which was
an early Roman divine name (of Venus). The Romans adopted
her from the Greeks who had adopted Ishtar's religious
doctrines from the Assyrians and Egyptians who'd adopted it
directly from Babylon. Bartholdi, the sculptor of the
Statue of Liberty created a firestorm of protest in the
Roman Catholic Church, here in the Federal Republic of the
United States of America, who viewed the Stature as an
'abomination' and an image of Ishtar. 'Oddly' enough,
there apparently was not much of a protest from the Protest
sources.

Nevertheless, the Revelation 17 passage deals with the
"IDEA OF A WOMAN AS A SYMBOL OF A NATION (city - state -
nation) that would worship itself. We also see this
self-worship in Revelation 18:..however, the Apostle St.
John was not the only prophet to note this issue of a
nation worshiping a woman and itself. Isaiah 47:1-15, and
especially in verses 7 & 8..."I am"?..."and there is none
beside"?!...which cross-references to Revelation 18:7.

So, do you read the Scriptural Biblical Method of Truth?
WHY IS THIS SUCH NEWS?

Well, so many Christian Believers with a prophecy
background simply refuse to recognize that Revelation 17 is
a symbol of a nation, that it is a symbol with a religious
nature or agenda to it. Their perception is limited to
their ongoing belief, that is linked to an 'organization'
type of religion, such as the Roman Catholic or Catholic &
Apostolic Church, or Islam, or some other organized
religion, leaving out the Baptist Church. As if the
Baptist Church, it's members and congregation doesn't't
SIN...yeah right. American Believers/Christians today
certainly don't think that good, old-YANKEE PATRIOTISM
might just be perceived by the Creator as being its own
religion. Of course, most Christians are not really able
to understand what the word "WORSHIP" actually means, nor
how it is to be expressed towards God.

The word 'worship' actually means: to mentally give worth
to something or to mentally assign or give value to
someone. So that AMERICAN IS A RELIGION!

When you speak the 'Pledge of Allegiance or sing the
'Star-Spangled Banner, and stand at attention with your
hand over your heart you are giving worth to something.
Namely you are giving worth to a nation, or in this case,
giving worship to the 'United States of America'. In other
words if you have done any of this then you have
'worshiped' the United States of America.

Yes, such activity constitutes worship. Also, this very
idea of promoting democracy and freedom, and liberty to
other nations, along the 'capitalism', is exactly what
Revelation 17 speaks of, when referring to the notion of
'getting drunk'. The very nature of spreading the gospel
of Ishtarism/Freedom/Liberty/Democracy is actually like an
alcoholic beverage, according to the text of chapter 17, in
which the 'kings' or leaders of the Earth get drunk.

Now, what is interesting is that American Bible Prophecy
so-called 'experts' do manage to 'tut-tut' against such
notions that America could possibly be Mystery Babylon
(just as the Baptist and Protestant Churches), but they
fail to speak out against the American Idolatry of Paganism
or Patriotism in Americanism, as being the worship of the
nation, and a sin in, and of itself.

A British newspaper columnist, George Monbiot, is now
broaching the notion that America, as a nation has in
itself become a religion as well as a nation!!! WOW! Even
a secular journalist is recognizing this concept! We
marvel that in today's secular world of society, that
someone in the secular establishment would make such an
observation. Of course, it is coming from someone with an
outsider's perspective.

Here is just a brief sampling of his comments:

"US leaders now see themselves as priests of a divine
mission to rid the world of its demons". "It was, he said,
now 'sacred ground to people who feel what American is all
about'. The United State of America no longer needs to
call upon the LORD God; it is god, and those who go abroad
to spread the light, do so in the name of a celestial
domain. The flag has become as sacred as the Bible; the
name of the nation, as holy as the name of God. The
presidency is turning into a priesthood".

The Roman Catholic Church claimed that it had supplanted
the Jews, as the elect, as the Jews had been repudiated by
God. Because, the Jews would not, nor could not believe
that the "Ancient of Days" had sent His own Son (the Son of
Man/Messiah). Now, the English Protestants (the British
Isles) accused us Catholics of breaking Faith, and claimed
that they had become the beloved of God. The American
revolutionaries believed that the English, in turn, had
broken their covenant: the Americans had now become the
chosen people, with a divine duty to deliver the world to
God's dominion. And this continues today...Thank You.
[forwarded from " HTTP://www.aoreport.com/news52.htm "]


Cordially,
Mr. Jorge "George" Anthony Paniagua
615A East Jefferson Street
Stayton, Oregon 97383-1929


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's plenty of room in my handbasket, folks!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:38 pm    Post subject: damn! Reply with quote

Anyone want to adopt me? I need outta' this country before they reinstate a full blown Natziesque regime.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno...

Are you house-trained?

I got out of the UK when it became impossible to stay there and fight anymore, 2 years now, so it is possible (but mighty hard) to re-build somewhere else.

Could certainly advise on 'relocation' issues if you chose to come to sanityland.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:54 am    Post subject: true blue american Reply with quote

i'm a product of catholic immigrants to this Usa country little more than 100 years ago. As you all know we don't get to choose where we're born. So i'm an American, I hate alot of things about America, and i am helpless, i can speak about it(1st ammement) if i want to take that risk. Conspiricies are the real scary thing,they can take care of u w/ the push of a button, in this technological day they have an enormous amount of power. But in america you get a very long leash as a citizen, you get a good chance to get away w/ alot, don't press it too much and you probably will. As for the Nazi - thing, i can see it , but in a sneaky manner, like Big Brother(Orsen Wells, 1984), it will take alot of Nazi's though ,to take down this Irish,Italian-German American. hopefully all of us united will become the majority and seize power. Rightousness Prevail. let's pray in the form of bonghits(just herb, no t'baccy)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies if this offends any Americans - this is just an opinion, not fact...
The way I see it, the US is a nation still in it's infancy. In terms of how long it's been a nation, it's kinda equivalent to UK in the middle ages, and look at what a f*cked up bunch of assholes the English were then, just at the beginnings of delusions of empire, declaring war on all it's neighbours. You know, bolshy like teenagers are. Am I the only one to see the parallels... I dunno, history teaches us a lot, I look at the current state of Islam, the fanaticism etc, then I look at the christian church 500 years age (cos Islams about 500 years younger than christianity), it's very similar, burning heretics, declaring holy wars etc. I don't think it's just people that grow & mature, I think ideas. concepts & nations evolve too. I just think the US is a spoiled teenager, hopefully it'll grow up soon. (Doesn't help having a spoiled baby at the helm...).
Oh, & I'm not saying the UK is any better - we're older but sadly no wiser, I think I already posted my views on age & wisdom here, but suffice to say the former may aid in developing the latter, but it aint a given.

Sorry, another long, rambling & ultimately nonsensical rant - oh well, I'm nothing if not consistent smoke2
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:54 pm    Post subject: yeah Reply with quote

i see what you're sayin, people of power, always take advantage, always have, always will. Maybe not 100%, but i bet it's around 80.
Average American's feel that most other people, especially Europeans, hate us. It's not our fault, most of us hate our Gov. too. Peace to whole herb smokin nation. and every one else too.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: yeah Reply with quote

mc nick-grassmoke wrote:
i see what you're sayin, people of power, always take advantage, always have, always will. Maybe not 100%, but i bet it's around 80.
Average American's feel that most other people, especially Europeans, hate us. It's not our fault, most of us hate our Gov. too. Peace to whole herb smokin nation. and every one else too.


I'm sure most Europeans can see the difference between a government and the people of a nation very well.
The laws the American administration is installing to spy on their own citizens is something the Europeans are very well aware of also. Europeans have , in general , nothing against any American personally, they just hope for them to get a better and more peacefull administration...hopefully next year.

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